Enrique Zapata is a Guinness World Record holder who completed 7,100 pull-ups in 12 hours. A former obese, hypertensive alcoholic who suffered from panic attacks and anxiety, Enrique transformed his health by studying human performance and nutrition. His journey from sick and struggling to setting multiple pull-up records reveals a fascinating approach to understanding how the body truly works. This conversation covers the specific breathing techniques and nervous system preparation he used during his record attempt, the moment he hit the wall at the 5-hour mark, and why he believes the health industry is fundamentally broken.
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Enrique Zapata holds the Guinness World Record for completing 7,100 pull-ups in 12 hours. He achieved this by preparing his nervous system through breathing exercises, biofeedback, and a systematic training approach that included eccentric training, negatives, assisted pull-ups, and isometric holds.
Enrique transformed by studying human performance and nutrition after realizing the health industry was corrupt. He cut out processed foods, drank fresh juice, changed his movement patterns, and learned to breathe differently. Within two years, he reversed his obesity, hypertension, alcoholism, and anxiety conditions by understanding how the body truly works.
Enrique read ‘Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art’ by James Nestor and ‘Why We Get Sick’ by Benjamin Bikman, among other resources. These books helped him understand how the human body truly works and gave him the knowledge to reverse his health conditions and eventually set pull-up world records.
According to Enrique Zapata, you prepare the nervous system through breathing exercises and biofeedback before training. He starts with easy pull-ups and gradually increases intensity, using eccentric training, negatives, assisted pull-ups, and isometric holds. This individualized approach builds fast twitch muscle fibers and allows the body to adapt to extreme volumes of work.
Around the 5-hour mark of his 12-hour pull-up record attempt, Enrique experienced significant fatigue and pain. Rather than pushing through haphazardly, he used specific breathing techniques and mindset strategies he had studied in advance. He had researched the nervous system's ability to push through fatigue and prepared for this exact moment.
Our friend Rich Hernandez recommended Enrique for the show, and anyone who can go from the depths of alcoholism, obesity, and anxiety to setting world records has figured something out the rest of us need to hear. I wanted to know how he actually did it.
Enrique's transformation story is not your typical fitness journey. He was living what he calls a sick lifestyle — obese, hypertensive, and drinking heavily while battling anxiety and panic attacks. The turning point came when he realized the health industry was, in his words, selling medication instead of health. That realization sent him down a rabbit hole of studying how the human body truly works, cutting out processed foods, drinking fresh juice, and changing his movement and breathing patterns. Within two years, he had completely reversed his health conditions. Enrique explains the full transformation story early in the episode.
What makes Enrique's approach unique is his focus on the nervous system rather than just muscle strength. His training system starts with breathing exercises and biofeedback to prepare the nervous system before any pulling begins, then incorporates eccentric training, assisted pull-ups, and isometric holds. Hear how Enrique prepared his nervous system for extreme performance throughout the conversation.
Even with all his preparation, Enrique wasn't immune to the physical and mental challenges of attempting a world record. Around the 5-hour mark, he started feeling significant fatigue and pain, but he had specific breathing techniques and mindset strategies prepared for exactly this moment. What specific techniques he used comes up later in the episode.
When asked what's next, Enrique's answer reveals what truly motivates him — helping other people achieve the best version of themselves, rooted in his own experience of being sick and finding his way to health through study and application. Enrique's full perspective on purpose and performance rounds out the conversation.
What strikes me most about Enrique's story is how intentional he was about every step of his transformation. This wasn't about willpower or pushing through pain — it was about doing the homework, understanding the science, and applying it systematically.
Whether you're trying to transform your health, push your performance, or just understand how to leverage your body's natural abilities, this conversation has real value. Listen to the whole thing.
Rich Hernandez (Do Hard Things 365) · James Nestor (author of ‘Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art’) · Benjamin Bikman (author of ‘Why We Get Sick’)
Enrique Zapata is a Guinness World Record holder who completed 7,100 pull-ups in 12 hours. A former obese, hypertensive alcoholic who suffered from panic attacks and anxiety, Enrique transformed his health by studying human performance and nutrition. He now holds multiple pull-up records and works with others to help them achieve their health goals, with an approach focused on understanding the nervous system and how the body truly works.
Tom Rowland Podcast — Episode 980: Enrique Zapata
In this episode: 7,100 pull-ups in twelve hours, nose breathing and palm cooling, the dark-urine rhabdo scare at hour ten, crazy glue on torn blisters, and the depression that follows a world record — in the exact words spoken.
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Enrique Zapata: Hello. I am Enrique Zapata. I'm the holder of a couple of full of records, and this is a Tom Brolin podcast.
Tom Rowland: Enrique Zapata. What's going on, man? Hey, man.
Enrique Zapata: I appreciate it. Appreciate the time. Appreciate the invitation.
Tom Rowland: I'm I'm happy to have you on, you you came highly recommended by our mutual friend, Rich Hernandez, people that listen to the show. They know Rich Hernandez do hard things, three sixty five. And, he does hard things, but so do you. You have Yeah. 12 or pull up record at 7,100. 7,100 pull ups in twelve hours. That's amazing.
Enrique Zapata: Thank you, man. Yeah. It's it's it's quite quite a lot of pull ups for for a short amount of time.
Tom Rowland: It is. So what tell me about why you chose to go after this particular record. Why pull ups for you?
Enrique Zapata: Why pull ups? Because because, one, first, they are hard. They are hard. So, I I I wanted I wanted to test myself, test my body, and test the the knowledge the knowledge I was I was learning from from new from from a new perspective of of of, yeah, hope, health, and and performance. I was studying because I was sick. I was sick. I I was hypertensive. I was I was I had, panic attacks and and anxiety and all this stuff. And I had a lot of issues, health issues. I was overweight And and Really? Yeah. I was suffering. I was an alcoholic. And then I I I made a decision to turn my life around. And when when I started to understand better how the body works, I I noticed that there's a lot of information out there that people doesn't do do not get. They cannot get their hands on this information, and I wanted to test it out doing something really hard from being an obese hypertensive guy to having a nice Guinness World Record. And I chose pull ups first because they are hard, and second because of, baby Goggins. When when I was trans transforming myself, my mind and my body, I I I came across this great book, Ken Hurt Me. I know a lot of people have, and this is a great book. And when I when I learned that David Goggins had a Guinness World Record for most pull ups in twenty four hours, and he did 4,030 pull ups, I was like, oh, man. That that guy, Superman, that that's out of my league. You know? That's completely out of my league. That's not me. But when you hear the audiobook when in the audiobook, he they have, like, this podcast going on between chapters and challenges and so on. And he says, I am not your fucking hero. Don't put me on a pedestal I am telling my story so you can think of yourself What are you doing with your own story? And that got me bro That got me deep. And I said, Okay. Royo dad. Let's do it. So I started training to beat him at first, and then I decided to have the records for myself. And I want the three records, the three endurance records, eight hours, twelve hours, and twenty four hours at the same time to to show that anybody can do it, to prove to me and the world, anybody can do it.
Tom Rowland: Wow. So what does it mean to you? Like you're, you're, you are at first, you're putting David Goggins on a pedestal. You're looking at, you're reading his book and thinking, wow, what a, what a, an amazing athletic achievement of, of doing his pull up record. What does it mean to you when you change your mindset into, like, I'm gonna compete with him, and I'm gonna beat him, and you're doing it for yourself. Like, I like what you what you said there. Like, how did that mindset shift change for you?
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. I I you know, I can I can tell you I can tell you the the the the good marketing story, or I can tell you the truth, bro? And Let's hear the truth. If should if truth be told, it's an everyday thing. Some days, I don't believe in myself. Even though I have these two records on my wall, I still have doubts. I still have, I still have issues trusting myself. And sometimes my mind still tell still tells me to this day, I am not good enough. It's an everyday everyday thing. I could tell you the market the good marketing story, the hero journey is you transform yourself and you are good to go forever. That's not true, bro. I mean, I still I still I still I'm still afraid of of pain. I'm still afraid of of of not being good enough. And sometimes I see David Goggins, and I'm like, yeah, man. But but he's 50, bro. I mean, I'm 35. He's 50. He's still better. And sometimes I say I say, oh, come on, dude. He had this record after two heart surgeries. I mean, he's still better. You know? So, yeah, I I'm I'm now trying to to I am, like I don't know the word in English, but trying to to take control of my mind. Be but this is a a an everyday an everyday work. It's a workout every day to train your mind because your mind is always there trying to protect you. But if you allow it allow it to protect you, you will you will check out from life, man, you know? Because it will hold you back. It will say, don't don't don't say that, don't say that, don't don't be vulnerable, don't don't say the truth, don't don't show emotion. Don't don't don't go that way because because you can fail. And and, yeah, fear fear is something that's never finished. Right. To where it never done from from fear.
Tom Rowland: So let's talk about, like, your decision to go for this record. Like, when what what what had to happen when you, like, make that something that you want to, that you want to do? Like you've, you've, you've changed your life. Obviously you're getting in some kind of good shape, to even consider doing 4,000 pull ups. I mean, yeah, that was the record or 4,100, I think, was was Goggins record. So in order to do that in twelve hours, you gotta be in some pretty good shape. So what happened, when you decide, like, I'm gonna this is something I'm gonna train for. I'm gonna do this, and this is my goal.
Enrique Zapata: I mean, that's an awesome question because sometimes when people ask me about about what happens first, what was the first thing that happened, The first thing that happened is that I was in a decent shape. And as I as I as I said, I transformed my life, and I was in a decent shape. I was healthy, and I wanted to test. I wanted to push myself. So, the first thing that happened is that, normally normally, you go to a gym. If you wanna do a workout, you go to the gym, and maybe you do six rounds of 10 pull ups, and that's a nice workout. You know? That's that's a pretty decent workout. So I I was I was there. I was there. And the first day, I said, you know, fuck it. I I'll do it. And and I say it out loud. I told it to to to my to my to my girlfriend in that in that time. I told it to my to my partners, to my business partners, so I told it to the world. I felt I felt dumb. You know? I felt really, really dumb saying that out loud because because I am I was nobody. You know? I was nobody then. And
Tom Rowland: Right. Saying that
Enrique Zapata: you're Saying it out loud. That's really something. And starting to believe in myself, that was that was really something. So first day, I I got it was pandemic. It was in the middle of the pandemic. So it was August 2020. August 2020, August 1, 08/01/2020, I got, a pull up bar installed in my house, so I started training. You know, my technique was horrible. My technique was horrible. And people laughed at me, you know? You are going for the club record. You cannot you can't even do it do them correctly. You know? They didn't have even a proper form. Yeah. They they were laughing. And and and it's okay. It's okay. It's just a process. It's part of process. If you wanna be good at something, you have to suck at first, you know? Favorite time. So, I I started in the first day. The first day, I changed from doing 10 pull ups, like a regular regular gym session, whatever. I started going for three. Just three every minute. Just started there. First session, I did 500 pull ups. First one. First training session out of the blue. You know? And, yeah, it it it it changed the way I think about it, you know? It's it's just it's you you need two big things. In my opinion, to to pursue your dreams, you you need to get an ability and and train your ability and practice that ability to a to a higher level to to get mastery. And second, you need courage. You need courage. Any big story, any success story is a story of courage. I think the world is for the bold. I truly believe it. Believe I truly believe in that. The world is for the bold. You need two things. Yeah. Also, the to to get mastery on your practice, on your ability, you need discipline and all these things. But the main two components of of success, I think, is courage and ability and practice, you know, mastery from your ability. I think so this is the first thing that happened. I had the courage to say it out loud and to make a commitment. Yeah. This will this is gonna happen. This is gonna happen. And it's been five years, nearly five years in the since then. My life has changed a lot. Got divorced once, lost two companies, lost nearly everything more than once. But the thing is, I can't stop. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed, and this is my life, man.
Tom Rowland: Wow. So all of the loss that you had, is that related at all to the rec to the pull up record?
Enrique Zapata: It it has something it has something to do because because, you know, it's it's quite demanding. And, it's very demanding. So the time, the the discipline it takes, the energy, the it it it requires everything. Because if if you don't if if you don't put everything there, you will not be the best.
Tom Rowland: That's right.
Enrique Zapata: And and peep the it's hard for people to get it. It's hard for people to get it. And and when you meet somebody truly obsessed with something, that peep that person is normally gonna be misunderstood.
Tom Rowland: Yeah. And so that in your own life, that caused you to lose businesses and relationships?
Enrique Zapata: Yes, sir.
Tom Rowland: Wow.
Enrique Zapata: Yes, sir. I've lost business. I've lost, relationships. I I you know, you know, I I I've I've heard I've heard that well, I've heard from from people around me that even my parents my parents used to tell my, my friends or or or my girlfriend, just tell Ricky to stop. Just tell him, just please ask him to stop. Even my parents. You
Tom Rowland: know? Wow.
Enrique Zapata: They were even though face to face, they are supporting me, behind behind me, they are saying, can you convince them? Just let just tell him to stop. It's okay. He doesn't have anything to prove. He already have something. Here he's already there. Just tell him to stop. Wow. It's quite lonely.
Tom Rowland: Yeah. Very lonely. And and also often, very difficult when it comes from the people that are the closest to you like that.
Enrique Zapata: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Tom Rowland: That's that's that's, that's something, but you overcame and you and you you did it and that's amazing. Tell me this. Let's fast. Well, first of all, I wanna know what it felt like after you did your first first training session, you knock out 500 pull ups. I'm assuming that's probably five times more than you'd ever done before in your life at least. How did that feel, recovery wise? Was it hard to recover from that? Were you super sore?
Enrique Zapata: Me not really. Not really because because, I am like I'm a scientist, you know, not not not in the not in the formal way. But, yeah, I I do I use the scientific method. I I have a hypothesis. I learned something. I have a hypothesis. I test it. I learn, and I have a feedback loop to if if it works, take it. If it doesn't, just throw it away. And I still I'm learning and learning. And I I mean, I'm the best in the world doing pull ups, and I still look at proper technique videos in YouTube. You know? I'm still learning, man. I mean So what and test it.
Tom Rowland: What is it that you're doing that that you said you're you have a scientific method and that you you were able to do the 500 pull ups without being that sore. What did you change? Were what were you testing?
Enrique Zapata: I was testing I was testing my first of all, I started using, proper breathing methods. I was just using my nose to breathe.
Tom Rowland: Only nose breathing.
Enrique Zapata: Only nose breathing. First first and foremost. Second, I started using cool, palm palm cooling. Palm cooling, I was cooling down my hands and cooling down my face. It works a lot. I think that's that's a game changer for sure. For endurance, cooling your pal the palms of your of your hands, the bottom of your feet, and your face helps a lot because, yeah. I mean, the the temperature if if your temperature goes high, some enzymes in your in your muscles are not working well enough, so so you stop using, the mitochondria to make energy and you start using only glucose, and that glucose is is have some, byproducts. If you are anaerobic, it's it's the name, anaerobic. If you're in anaerobic state Yeah. Your muscle goes anaerobic, you start to accumulate, lactate, and and it it generates an a acidic environment in your muscle, and that's what gets you that's one part of what gets you sore. It's called metabolic stress. The second thing is that, if you if you have, it's called the negative portion of the of the exercise. You have the positive portion, the concentric, and you have the eccentric. The eccentric is the one that that gets you more the the the most sore. You know? If you avoid the eccentric and just get lost, get loose, you know, loose from the bar, that's why I did three. I just have three concentrics and two eccentrics. So I had one third of the soreness out of the equation. You know? Yeah. There are a lot of stuff that that it's out there so you can improve your your physical performance really quick. Really, really quick. Also, the nutrition, the inflammation. Yeah. Your inflammation is is really big.
Tom Rowland: That's the first thing that you talk about is that there's information out there that a lot of people don't have. I wanna talk to you more about that. I've heard about the palm cooling. And so how are you doing that? And and why is it working? Like, are you are you putting your hands on ice? Or are you wearing a glove? Or, like, what are you what are you doing to cool your palms?
Enrique Zapata: That's, real easy. I use one of two things. I use a a, you know, this this, therapeutic, you know, this kind of therapeutic, stuff that you freeze that they are made out of gel. You know, I don't know that.
Tom Rowland: Yeah. So like a, Ben gay or like a, like a, a pad that has
Enrique Zapata: has some,
Tom Rowland: some sort of, like a, cream on it that that is like, Yeah.
Enrique Zapata: They they are pads pads that you can get into the freezer and it gets frozen. Okay.
Tom Rowland: So they're
Enrique Zapata: frozen. You use it. Yeah. Yeah. But but not as directly. It's like a gel that you can you can freeze and then Yeah. Take it to the microwave and warm them up or whatever
Tom Rowland: Sure.
Enrique Zapata: For contrast therapy. But, well, I use these pads to for my face and my hands, but if it can't be that cool in the hands because it will make vasoconstriction, so the the arteries and the blades will will collapse and the blood flow will be bad. So not much cooling in the hands. I use, like, a regular, yeah, fan, you know, like a fan that blows some air in the hands. But for my face, I use these cooling pads, and, I also use, cold, yeah, you know, like cans of cans of water, cans of soda, cans and just just take cold cans and it helps a
Tom Rowland: lot. You shouldn't be
Enrique Zapata: cooling that much your hands. In the feet, I I I'm just barefoot. And, yeah, stepping on the on the on floor barefoot, and that helps.
Tom Rowland: I noticed two things, when I was love looking at your Instagram. When you were setting the record, I was looking at the different, videos of you doing pull ups. And so it seemed like I counted 11 when you were doing sets of 11, which you just said that you were doing sets of three so that you would have only two, negatives and and three positives. Right? So you're pulling up three times, but you're only dropping twice. Is that why you did 11 sets of 11 so that you would have one less drop?
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. Fast forward four years, yeah, or or or three year three years, and my my muscles and my fascia and my my tendons are way stronger. I I do a a ultrasound, you know, like a vision vision checkup in my shoulder joints and my elbow joints every year, so I see I can see how I'm doing. And the I think in my my opinion, my experience is that the biggest thing you need to to adapt is your fascia. The fascia is, is the is the big the big thing there. Because now I can I can just make the pull up and kinda, you know, use gravity to to go down? Just drop just drop, but still hang in there, you know?
Tom Rowland: Yes.
Enrique Zapata: It's a little bit hard on the on the on the on the joints, but they are they are now really, really hard. They they got, like, calluses in there. Not like physical ones, but Yeah.
Tom Rowland: No. I understand what you're saying.
Enrique Zapata: They they they they endured. They they can take it. So I don't have that much negatives anymore. I don't do eccentrics, really hard eccentrics. I'm like and, also, I just pull hard in the first with the with most strength in the first, maybe, 50% of the pull up, I pull hard, and then it's just, like, fly fly along, you know?
Tom Rowland: Yes.
Enrique Zapata: I'm really, really efficient there, so I am not making that much
Tom Rowland: effort. Wow. So let's talk about, like, as you as you prepare for this and you started out with just sets of three, and then let's say maybe sixty days before you're gonna try this record. What does your training look like? You know, fast you've, you've, you've trained for three years. So now you're like, you're preparing, you know, in sixty days you're probably going to have a little bit of a taper or something. Maybe some people do for running and other things when they're preparing for a race. But, you know, you're gonna have the your hardest training, and then you're gonna be ready for the for the for the test. What does that look like?
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. You know, next, in in in the the May, it's like, no. Saturday, thirty first, May 31, I will be doing I will be going back for my eight hour pull up record. Somebody broke it. I did, 4,004 nine 4,949 in 2023. And, somebody last November made 100 more, so it's, 5,049. So I'm going back in, like, eight days or nine days for back for the for the world record. So I can tell you now what's going on, and now I am losing weight. I'm losing weight. I used to be eighty kilograms. That that that is around, one seventy six pounds. I one hundred and seventy six pounds, and I lost five kilograms. At least five kilograms, that's, like, 11 pounds.
Tom Rowland: Yes.
Enrique Zapata: And, now I'm I'm one sixty five, most. That's that's one big thing.
Tom Rowland: Is that your competition weight? Is that where you wanna be?
Enrique Zapata: That's that's where I wanna be. Yeah. Because I am doing this eight eight hour pull up record, then I'm going again for the twelve hour record because I am way stronger now than last year. And then I am using all these for training to go for the for the twenty four hour Guinness World Record. That's a
Tom Rowland: very competitive record. I follow Truett Hanes also. He is he is very serious about it and, will definitely be a fierce competitor.
Enrique Zapata: Yes, sir. He is. Now nowadays, he's the the the person that has done the most pull ups ever in a in a in a single day. So in a single session that he is nowadays, he is the man, but, you know, I've done more than 1,000,000 pull ups in last five years. And, yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready.
Tom Rowland: I just You are.
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. I I So you're ready? Real goal total of six.
Tom Rowland: Your real goal is to hold the eight, the 12 and the 24 all at once. Like the undisputed title. Okay.
Enrique Zapata: Yes, sir. That's the goal. That's the, that's the dream. Yes.
Tom Rowland: Yeah. That's incredible. So let's, let's talk about, like, we can either, we can either talk about where, how you're going to prepare for this eight or when you went for the 12, like what's the setup like? I know you have to, you have to, conform to the, to the record team. They're going to make you do it a certain way or have a certain setup. And you're going to want to choose a setup that you're comfortable with and people around you that you're comfortable with. So tell me what it how you chose where you're gonna do this record or attempt this record and who you're gonna have with you and what what that looks like.
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. That's enough. That's a great question, Tom, because because this this is a big deal. This is a Yeah. Very big deal. You know? While you are doing these kind of things, well, while I am doing this, I cannot be thinking, about anything else. I need to trust that peep that the people that are that are there for me, they know what what they are doing, and I need them to know my mindset. I need them to understand that I will not stop. Before I started, I talked to my girlfriend, and and I said I said to her, there is no towel. Like like, in a boxing match, there is no towel. There is I I will not surrender. So I hope I hope you understand this. There's we will not I will not stop, And I hope I hope you are on my side at this because I will not stop until it's done. And, and she's a health health expert. She's really, really, really good. She she's a a clinical nutritionist, and she she's she's really big here in Mexico. And, and I trust her for my nutrition, for my hydration, for my weight, for my appearance. And when I you know, I went I went to pee, and she has to supervise that the color of of of the pee was okay because it started to turn brownish. Not, not full rhabdo, but maybe risky. How long, how long,
Tom Rowland: how long did it start to go darker? Like for, for the listeners, if your, if your urine goes darker color, that's a sign of rhabdomyolysis. And that is when your, when your muscles are breaking down so much that your kidneys cannot clear the, the muscle waste. So you have protein in your bloodstream. It's very, very dangerous and it shows up, first as dark urine. That's their first indication. Then it can go really bad and you can end up in the hospital and you can it can it can actually kill you, to do this. So how long did it take for for that to happen for the first signs of that?
Enrique Zapata: Ten hours, maybe.
Tom Rowland: Okay.
Enrique Zapata: Ten hours. It happens ten hours. So I called her.
Tom Rowland: So in your wait. Hold on. In your training sessions, how what would be an extraordinarily long training session up up to this? Would you go ten hours or would you what is a long training session?
Enrique Zapata: No. I just just normally, I keep my training sessions, ninety minutes tops.
Tom Rowland: Okay.
Enrique Zapata: Because after ninety minutes, there is a hormonal imbalance. You start to have hormonal issues because, of course, all the adrenaline and that sort of stuff. So, normally, I have shorter sessions than ninety minutes, but I once a week, I have a longer session. And, yeah, I can be doing three hours, four hours, and the longest is six hours.
Tom Rowland: Okay. Alright. So at ten, you're in kind of, not not, real familiar territory.
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. I was ten hours, that was the first time ever. I was beyond ten hours. I did once, nine hours, But, yeah, it was back in the day where in nine hours, I did 4,600 or something like that. So Okay. Yeah. It was not that fast as nowadays. So I called her. I told I called Mariana to come to come check it out, and she was like, I know it's no problem. It's it's just the the, you know, I drink for for my carbohydrate, intake. Because normally I am a low carb athlete, but in those cases, you you it's smart. It's just smart to use carbohydrates, you know.
Tom Rowland: What are you balancing to what what kind of carbohydrates are you choosing to to use?
Enrique Zapata: I drink mainly, carrot juice mixed with, with, it's it's called, the the it's the the purple Spanish, but purple and, beet? Beet juice. Yes.
Tom Rowland: Beet juice. Beet juice. So carrot juice. Beet juice. Beet juice. Beet juice.
Enrique Zapata: Beet juice and carrot juice mixed.
Tom Rowland: Okay.
Enrique Zapata: Beet juice and carrot juice, mixed, oh, well, with water. Yeah. I use, like, 500 milliliters milliliters of of of that mix with 500 milliliters of water and salt. And then I have another glass of water with with just water and electrolytes, and that's my hydration for the day. I that's mainly what I what I drink during the during the record. I also use a a a, electrolyte and and amino acids, supplement that helps me to get to still get, neurotransmitters because they get level when you are when you're booking out.
Tom Rowland: What do you mean?
Enrique Zapata: Essential amino acids. Essentials. Although it's like a mix of 12 essentials and and, conditionally essential amino acids. They are they are they are it's exactly they are designed This supplement is designed especially for endurance athletes. It's electrolytes and minerals, trace minerals, and amino acids. So because there's there is a chance that you get to this wall or this bunk, you know, the the wall where where you crash and you start to feel all weak and dizzy and and, yeah, but you you can't keep up. It would be carbohydrates in your blood. It can also be, temperature, and it can also be, deficiency of neurotransmitters, neurotransmitter deficiency. So so you need you need amino acids. But in that kind of stress, you shouldn't be eating protein because your digestive system will collapse, bro. So you use pre digested amino acids.
Tom Rowland: Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna ask what the temperature is. Like, are you doing this in air conditioning on purpose? Like, what what's the temperature?
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. You know, the heating get it otherwise it's really warm. Now, nowadays, it's in in Celsius. It's 33, 35 degrees. I don't know the the the units in in Fahrenheit, but it's really warm. It's really warm in in its its hail. I use a portable air conditioner that blows directly on me and some some other, fans, But, yeah, temperature is really bad. And also the the the altitude, you know, I'm I live in Queretaro City, and Queretaro City is around 1,900 meters over sea level.
Tom Rowland: Wow.
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. It's high. I'm losing, like, a 10% performance on that alone.
Tom Rowland: Yeah. So do you ever think you might wanna go to a different place where it's cooler and and lower?
Enrique Zapata: I'd love it, bro. I'd love it, man. But but to take to take all the all the all the team, all the the infrastructure down there down there. In Mexico, all all the cities, all the main places in Mexico are high. You know, you need to go to the beach and if you go to the beach, it's warm and humid, you know, and it's not a big day. Not a, not a great idea.
Tom Rowland: Okay. Well, you've obviously done a great job where you are. I'm sure it'll continue like that. So you've got this team around you. You've got your place, you've got your, your your gear. You're using sponges on your hands. Or do you have any other people that you use? You're just, you're going in there. It looked like you were just you got your shirt off, your shoes off, sponges on your hands. That's it.
Enrique Zapata: There's a lot. There's a lot I could tell you. For example, from from today, I have this this, blister. You know? Yeah. It's a big one. It's like this size. Yeah. Yes. This size. So what I do is I I just open it, drain it, and fill it up with crazy glue. This is the best thing you've ever, ever tried for blisters, you know? Really? I just because normally, you cannot keep up. It starts to hurt a lot If you still do pull ups with a blister and it gets deeper and deeper and deeper. But if you open it up, just a little bit, fill it with crazy glue, and then close it, press it, it's like nothing happened. Good to go. I'm telling you.
Tom Rowland: What what about when what about when you tear it all the way off? Like, I'll I'll have the same thing when I'm doing a lot of pull ups. I'll just tear it. You'll tear the whole callus off. Right? What do you do when that happens?
Enrique Zapata: Just match it up with crazy glue, bro. Yeah. It it will hurt. It will hurt. It hurts. I Yeah. Lot. I I mean, I tell people, and and this is really hard to understand, but I'm scared. Every time I'm doing this, I am scared because I know it will hurt a lot. I've been there. I've been Yeah. Through hell and came back, and it's not nice. It's really not not nice, and it's not fun.
Tom Rowland: So tell me what's what's what's the worst injury, the worst, that you put your body through doing this, either in training or on the on the day of the of the record?
Enrique Zapata: The hardest, it it it should be the the twelve hour record because two things happened. The hands were hurting a lot. That means 7,100 pull ups are malacked. So hands were killing me. Elbows killing me. Shoulders were killing me. But there was a situation where where, I I my body started to to shut down. And I had this experience before. In January 2023, I did a an exhibition, practice, four hour exhibition for the local university and, I got sick. It was all planned. I got COVID and, I said, fuck it. I will do it. So so my oxygenation was low, really, really low. I did 2,000, 400 pull ups in in in four hours or something like that, and I was struggling. I'm telling you, bro. I was really struggling. And what happened is that when when the the the the nervous system is so stressed that some things start to shut down. I for example, I I stopped getting the touch feelings. I I I they were putting me these cough pads. I You couldn't feel anything. You couldn't feel anything. I couldn't feel my skin. You know? I was griping the bar. I was not feeling it. I was like, maybe I fall off, and I don't know. I don't know if I fall off and if I can do more pull ups. I'm just on auto mode. I I mean, I just turned off the autopilot, and I'm going, bro. But I had my earphones plugged in, but no music. I was just focused. The the playlist stopped or something and or they were dead of battery at all or so I thought. And I was finishing. I was I was maybe in the last 50 pull ups, and all the the the the boys and and girls, all the all the students were clapping and cheering, you know. I took my my earphones off, and I heard nothing. My my my ears were not working properly. I'm like, okay. So I put them back in, and it just kept kept going. When I finished, I just laid down, like like, five minutes, and everything went back to normal. But it was really, really, really hard. I was scared, bro. I was I was really, really scared. And, but this was experience. This was a good experience, and I knew I studied I studied it. I I learned from it. I I researched it, and I learned that it was, a nervous system trying to preserve function. And, it's called, mammalian it's kind of fight or flight into the extreme. It's, stress induced analgesia, mammalian stress induced analgesia, something like that. And, maybe that's a translation. But the the the thing is that you just need to relax. That's that's the deal. So this happened in the twelve hour record. Your mind, the mind is really, really the biggest the biggest enemy, the final frontier. I was perfectly okay. I was totally fine. I talked I I I I talked to, this with with, I discussed this with with my team, with my with my girlfriend, and they were like, you were totally fine. You just went close to the previous previous record, and you just broke down. And this happens. I was perfectly fine. The record was 5,700. And when I was 500 short from the rec for breaking from breaking the twelve hour record, but, I mean, it was I was at the eight and a half hours. 500 short for for breaking the record. My mind started doubting. Maybe it's not possible. There is there is a reason. That's the record, man. Who do you believe yourself to who who do you think you are to be doing this? You will you will not do it. And the mind started to break me down, and I went into this state that I lost touch. I don't I didn't lost the hearing, but I lost the touch sensations. I went into the into the cool, tub, to the not ice tub, but cool tub, and and went out, and I was not feeling anything. And and what what I felt was my body was vibrating. Like, I felt my skin like that, like and my belly was shaking and I noticed, okay I know this, I know this You've been here Just breathe Just breathe. You've you've been here. You know what I wanna do. You've you've been there, bro. So just chill up chill out and you'll be fine. So I used my previous experience that was horrible. It was really to the limit, but bring it back here to the twelve hour record. But back in January, the first time that happened, I just did it, and I was done. I didn't have to to keep up. Here, I still have nearly four hours to go after this breakdown. So that was hard.
Tom Rowland: I love those stories because, I I mean, I I I've watched, Truett Haynes do the same thing. I mean, he's made several attempts that he'd you know, it was similar. Like, he got close and then didn't do it. And and And the burning. Yeah. But then the next day, he's like, you know, I'd I just broke down. Not this time. Like, again. And so that goes into the training where you're training your body, you're training your fascia as you're saying, you're getting stronger. Everything's happening, but you're really training your mind that if you can get past that just a little bit, then you might. And that's where the David Goggins stuff comes in so much is like, when you think you're done, you're only 40 there, man. You got you got more in the tank, but you can't you'll never know that. You could say that all you want, but for whatever the the the activity is, whatever the goal is, record is that you're trying to accomplish, you have to skirt the edge of that and then back off and skirt the edge of that and back off and then have it in your mind that you know you can go further. And your body's telling you, bro, you're gonna die. Like, this is this seems like you're gonna die. And and but but, you know, you you've learned enough about your body, and and you have the people around you that aren't saying, oh, please don't go any further. You're gonna die. They're saying you're close. You know? Like, this is happening because you're close to it. That's a big deal.
Enrique Zapata: And that's a that's a big deal. I mean, that's a big deal. I I I was telling you that I need people that knows my mindset. I told Mariana I'm not stopping. And when she saw the color of my urine, she just said, no. Don't worry. It's your your hydration. Just go back to the bar and do it. When we finished, she said, okay. I was a little bit worried, but if I told you I wasn't worried, you would you would have broke down. So I I just couldn't.
Tom Rowland: That's amazing.
Enrique Zapata: That was the right call. She knows me. Any other girl, any other any other anyone would would have said, oh, are you sure? That doesn't look nice. And you still have two hours to go. Are you sure about this? You already broke the record, so you don't need to do this. You know? But she knows me. And she knows mindset, and she knows when it's okay. She's she's she had been with me nearly three years and knows the mindset and knows the how much I push myself. So she it it's this is one important thing because I outsource reason. I can't reason. That's not my my superpower in that moment. My superpower is to do what I know how what to do. I what I'm good at. For example, I have a a great physiotherapist that knows me really well, and we've been working together since five years now, since the beginning of the of the of the challenge. So when I when I'm hurting I'm really, really hurting, I tell him, is that muscles gonna break? And he says, no, bro. You're good to go. It doesn't matter how much it hurts. I'm still up in the bar because Right. I believe him. I cannot trust myself. Because if I trust my mind, and I and my mind says, what if what if it breaks? What if this is your final pull up? And you can never go back to the bar because you broke a muscle, and you need a, really expensive surgery, and what if you cannot go back to the bar just because you are pushing yourself? If I allow that thought, just a little energy and a little space in my mind, I'm out out of the game. So I just trust him. I mean, that hurts a lot, bro. Is that gonna break? And he says, no, bro. That's nothing I've that's nothing out from the ordinary. And I trust him. He's really good, really, really good. So, okay, if you say it's a go, I it's a go. It's streamlined. I go. Outsource, recent.
Tom Rowland: So so now you you've you've done this a couple of times. You've set the records. You've done these extreme training sessions. You're learning more and more about your body. You've got a great team around you. What is the what is the next seventy two hours look like after you go through one of these extreme like, a twelve hour? You you do pull ups for twelve hours. How do you recover? How do I mean, what do you eat? What do you recover? How much do you sleep? Do you get in the ice? What do you do?
Enrique Zapata: I normally normally, use a rowing machine just to wash out the all the metabolites. Mhmm. So, yeah, that's normally what I do. I hydrate. I eat normally. I sleep, but not that good. Normally, the sleep is really, really bad. But the big thing maybe nobody talks about this, but the big thing is that after a great accomplishment, at least for me, comes a big depression. I it starts, but the it's the like a small small or low level depression. When when when you read about it, it's called, well, it's not official name, but it's called the Aldrin syndrome or the Aldrin depression syndrome or something like that because us, Aldrin, was with with, with, Armstrong in the in the Apollo mission, stepping on the moon. And when he went came back from that mission, he's he stepped into a huge depression because he was like, there is nothing else for me out there. I there's no higher mountain than the moon. There's no bigger challenge. What am I gonna do next? It's more or less the same thing as when you go to a big holiday, a really awesome vacation, and and you have the greatest time. And you come back to reality and it's like, damn. I'm I'm a little bit depressed after after the the big day, you know, after a wedding, after a honeymoon, after a big holiday or vacation, after a big accomplishment. There there goes a a small, small depression. And the first time I did this, I still trained. I went back to training. I went back to the to the to the rowing machine, to the hydration, to the sleeping. I am very, very up to this because I know when I'm at my worst, that's the most important time to be at my best in talking about my discipline, my what keeps me up and running. If I'm depressed and not working out, depressed and not eating well, depressed and not sleeping well, I will I will collapse, man. I know I I know I will collapse. So I don't allow my mind to have control over my body and my reality. I I just grip it with a with a with a strong hand and don't allow it to to take me off board, you know? But there is a big thing. If if somebody's out there feeling this depression after a big success, the the way out of this is called the second mountain. It's, there's a great book called the second mountain. The the the main idea is that when you understand that it doesn't matter what you do, for it to be worth it, it should be of service. The thing that you do, it it doesn't matter how much how much, you know, diplomas, records. It doesn't matter the the number back here. You know? It it doesn't matter. It's just ego. The number is ego. How much I have in my wall, that's just ego. The really important thing is that I am smart enough, patient enough, humble enough to to to take all the lessons from being an obese, hypertensive guy to being this guy I am now. And to take out all the information, all the golden nuggets there, and share it to the world. If I am not doing this, it's worthless. Worthless. Completely worthless. Their records will be broken. My name will be forgotten. But the lessons, the the information from trans of transforming how I did transform them, obese hypertensive that was about to die because of an alcohol overdose, overuse, and and the all the problems I had, and transform him into what I'm now. That's the valuable part. If it's not serving, it's worthless. That's the big lesson behind it, and and that's what brings brings me back. It doesn't matter how much records I have. It doesn't matter what I talk Rich Rich Hernandez, I tell him, we we talk about this. The mission is to to bring humanity forward. Because if I can do 12,000 pull ups in twenty four hours, it means everybody is capable of more. If there is a guy out there running a marathon in one hour and fifty five minutes, everybody is better because he did it. If one person can, everybody's better.
Tom Rowland: Yes.
Enrique Zapata: That's why we do it. This is service. Service. And that's what takes me out of the depression because it's not about me. I'm just a vehicle. That's how I think of myself, and that's what takes me out of the depression. I am still disciplined. I still train. I still drink. I still eat, sleep. It's really hard because because you don't have a big why. But when you go back to this second mountain lesson that it's not about you, it's about the world. It's about the people around you, the people that helped you. You are more valuable so you can help more. They pushed you. Now you're more valuable. Remember who helped you. Remember what they did for you. So you are more valuable for them. This is a big lesson.
Tom Rowland: Yeah. It is.
Enrique Zapata: That, takes you out from the darkness.
Tom Rowland: Yes. I see that. The service, is manifesting, through social media. Are you are you communicating with your followers through social media and and communicating these messages and these lessons there, or is there another place that you that you're communicating with people?
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. I'm I'm mainly through social media, but, you know, social media for me is is a big deal be well, not in that way. But it's it's a little bit hard for me because it's the new TV. And Right. The social media now is not well the attention is well not distributed because if you're not playing the game, like the big productions, the great hooks, the great infrastructure, Even though your message is great, you are not playing the game. And for me to be playing the game of attention and robbing people of their their attention and playing the game that is killing society mainly, for me it's it goes against my my my principles and I'm having a really hard time doing this because my my marketing people tell me, you got to do it, bro. It's not for you, it's for them. Don't think about you, think about them. They need you. But then I think about the repercussions of increasing the addictiveness of the the social media platforms. And I'm like, I don't wanna be part of it. You know? Yeah. I don't be I don't wanna be a part of it.
Tom Rowland: What if have have you ever thought about what if David Goggins had thought the same way and said he didn't wanna be part of it and he didn't wanna share his story and he didn't wanna write that book? Where would you be?
Enrique Zapata: I haven't thought about that, but you are totally right.
Tom Rowland: I mean, seriously, he had to wrestle with that. I mean, David Goggins is not a guy that is seeking attention. He is a guy that that put his story out there and attention flooded to him because it's an incredible story. But if he had chosen not to do that, where would you be? Where would Rich Hernandez be? Where would I be? I mean, it's that book. His message, his Instagram has been very powerful for all three of us and many people listening to this. It's a different way of thinking about it.
Enrique Zapata: You're right, mate. It is a different way to think about it. You're right.
Tom Rowland: I mean, there's also and he also does it in a way where he's not trying to steal attention for doing dumb things. He's he is putting a message out there that he's proud of. If you wanna listen to it, listen to it. If you don't wanna listen to it, he don't care.
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't care, really. And that's that's the thing. I think, for me, it's I I don't want to to play the game. I want to be authentic. I want authenticity because nowadays, people are making these these AI generated videos and they don't they are not even the person. The person behind the social media is not the person that is appearing in the videos, you know? And this is this is bothering me, I mean, that's that's just playing with people. Not being real. This is not real. It it bothers me. You know? But I think you're right. I think you're right. I maybe I'm just making excuses.
Tom Rowland: Maybe. I mean, I understand where you're coming from. I understand where you're coming from. But, like, I see what Rich Hernandez is doing. And, like, he's kinda playing the game, but he's also just showing people what he what he's doing, you know? But on a on a real thing, like if you had the opportunity to meet David Goggins, Truett Haynes, Richard Andes, do you do you want to go head to head with those guys? Do you want to be around them? Are you more comfortable from a distance? Like, I mean, what what is that like for you?
Enrique Zapata: I'd love I'd love to meet those guys. So I think I think it would be awesome to to meet them and and because when when you're around people that are better than you and you're humble enough, you will improve. For example, I've never done a thousand push ups in my life, and Rich told me, you can do it for sure. I said, okay, let's do it. I joined him in a live stream and I trusted my body, I trusted my mind, and I said, yeah, let's do it. Thanks to him, now I'm better. Yeah. Because when when we are in this in when you are along or you hang out with people that are better than you, you will be better. You will get better.
Tom Rowland: There's a there's a a a a famous saying for that. Iron sharpens iron.
Enrique Zapata: Iron sharpens iron. You're that's That's
Tom Rowland: what it's all about. If you can be around people that are better than you, you will you will be better. And, you know, you can say, go even further. You are the sum of the five people you spend the most time with, but there is no question that iron sharpens iron. If you're, if, if you had the opportunity to go train with Truett Haynes and David Goggins and Richard and has on a regular basis, all of you are gonna be better. Everybody. That's what happens in the in the MMA and wrestling and in jujitsu, in any of those places where people seek out. Like, if you're the top dog at your gym, you're only getting so good. And but if you can go somewhere else to where you are not the top dog, in fact, maybe you are the worst one there, you will improve so fast and so quickly. And, you you know, so all those guys are always seeking and training and and traveling to these other places where they're they're not the best. They're seeking that out. It's wild, to see.
Enrique Zapata: But, that was
Tom Rowland: I would love to see. I mean, it was cool to watch Cameron Haines and and David Goggins get together and train. And, yeah, it was I'm sure that it was great people. Yeah. They push. They push. So, you are the next thing that you're doing is the eight hour challenge. Right? Four or four eight hour?
Enrique Zapata: Back back for the title. Yeah. Because as I as I told you, as I said before, the the deal here is I am obsessed with human performance. And somebody out there told showed showed me that there's more. So I'm back for more. Because I am not here just for the titles. I am curious. I'm genuinely curious what's the best a human can do. And I can't trust that anybody out there is putting the work. I mean, they're good. But did they try this and that and that and also this and also that? And did they slip well? Did they knew this or knew that? Their attendance were well. If they were they had an injury, I can't I I can know that. But the only the only person I can trust to understand what's really the limit is myself. I I am not saying that I will be the best forever. No. I will not. I know the records are made to be broken, but I want to test it.
Tom Rowland: Yeah.
Enrique Zapata: I I really want the taste of the limits. I really want to taste it. Because the the thing that changed me, if if I may, the change that changed me is that I was about to die. And I understood that the judgment day is is done by yourself, not by God. God loves you, and God will never judge you. Your the judgment day is done by yourself. When when when this proverbial life movie gets in front of you, plays in front of you, and you see, like, a really boring trailer instead of a great movie, that's Judgment Day, April. And that happened to me. And I understood I can die anytime. And instead of just leaving automatically, I wanted I understood the meaning of urgency. I'm not I'm not in a rush. Because if you work in a rush, you just do half ass work. You know? Okay. It's it's okay. Just do it. Send it. It's like that. Okay. It it works. Just do it. No. When you have a sense of urgency, your your mind is, what's next? What can I do? What what is next in the list? What else can I do? And this is a mindset. I am not thinking about, I need 60,000 more pull ups to be this good, or I I I don't count down. I count up. I count up how much I can learn, how much more I I can learn, how much more I can I can do, what what else I can do for for for someone else? What else is there is out there for me to be done? It's a change of mindset. I know this is my second chance in life. I even I even remember it with with a with a tattoo in my arm. Second chance, make it count. And that reminds me that I will die, and judgment day is coming. I have a problem. I am dying, and I understand I am dying. And I'm not in a rush, but I have a sense of urgency. I know that time's coming. My time is coming. And, you know, the the this great movie Gladiator? I think that's Gladiator where where they asked Maximus, you're not scared of dying? And he says, death smiles to us all, my dear friend. The only job the man can has or the only thing a man can do is to smile back when the time comes. And you are not smiling back in the moment of your death. You're smiling back by living a life we're dying for. I understand that more than 99.99% of people. And that's why I'm doing more every day, and I'm obsessed with living, writing books. I mean, this year, I am I am teaching thousands of people. I am breaking three three world records. I am I am planning on writing two books. I am writing another five ebooks, so I can I can I can do more? I learned the meaning of of judgment day and the urgency of living. I I I really understand that. I think that's that's the the big thing. That's the big thing. Yeah. In the in the responsibility. That was
Tom Rowland: actually my next question to you is if you were writing these things down, these lessons that you're learning, these, whether they're they're biohacking things or mind hacking things or I don't even like that term hacking because you're not hacking. You're learning about how your body and your brain work. Right? That's not really a hack. It's like it's like you're just becoming better at being a human being. Right? You you understand what's going on in your mind. So are you writing these down? You said you're gonna write two books this year. You're gonna write more ebooks. Are there already ebooks out there? Can we get something from you on mindset? Can we get something from you on, nutrition or or what do you write about?
Enrique Zapata: I'm writing I'm writing an ebook of, the the topic now is fasting, an ebook of fasting, understanding fasting in a in a really easy way. Deep, deep, about fasting because normally people don't explain this and then going deep on fasting, but really, a good way of easy way to earn it. I I am writing another book that is like, lessons and, story, the story behind what happened in the last eighty years when I was sick, obese, and an alcoholic. And and now that I am breaking three three world records in one year, this this transformation, I want I want it to be in a book that people can can learn from and make them make it their own just as David did for me. I want to pay back to the world as well. And there is another big one. I don't think that this is releasing this year, but it's a big one. I call it from sapiens to super sapiens. It's it's, it's, 24 topics of how to activate the superhuman mode from your body. You know, the the the thought is that your body your human body is is is capable of capable of much more. It's like when you get, for example, a Bugatti, you know? You get two keys, a black one and a red one. And the red one activates the supercar mode. But if you don't know that, you will be stuck with a black key, and you don't know there is a supercar mode in your car. And, you're we are stuck with a with a regular human body, but our bodies are capable of much more. You need to to understand your body and understand your mind. When you do that, yeah, you become limitless. If it doesn't break laws of physics, it's possible. And it's possible for you if you really want it. I
Tom Rowland: love it.
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. 24 lessons about
Tom Rowland: Where do you sell those body.
Enrique Zapata: Now they are I I I haven't published any of them. I the the ebook will be just out from my from my, Instagram page. I will just release it, and, yeah, people can can download it. But the the the one that I am working on right now is the the lessons from the record. I think the name now the name or the provisional name, although yeah. The name for now is Unbreakable. And Unbreakable is the story of how not to to be broken by life and how every everybody has has this inside of us. We we can do great things. We were born I tell people when they are in depression, when they when they are sad, when they are scared, I tell them, you know what? You are a soul that that that lives inside a body that is like a suit. It's like a super suit. Like, when Iron Man gets well, like, Tony Stark gets into the Iron Man suit, just think about that. The suit controls everything, and the software tells you everything. You cannot look outside. You are wearing a suit. Think about that. You are a soul. You're a soul, and your soul is immune. Your soul is immune to anything that happens in the world. Immune. Totally. Completely. And, yeah, your body can can suffer. Your mind can suffer, but you are immune. And your body is capable of much more than you think, but you just have to take care of it. The only one the only one you've got. Just take care of it and learn how to use it and your mind as well. So this is the the the lessons for Unbreakable, and it's not out there yet. I'm talking to the to the Publisher? Editorial in Spanish, but publisher. Thank you. I'm talking to the publisher. Yep. I'm talking to the publisher, and, yeah, they will be reviewing the scribbles I've got, make it readable. Yeah. And, yeah, hopefully, at the end of the of the year, it can be out there so people can people can buy it and and and learn from it.
Tom Rowland: That's fantastic. Well, by
Enrique Zapata: the end of the You're an animal.
Tom Rowland: I love I love your mindset. I love what you've been able to do. You are a super sapien and, it's been great to have you on the show. I really appreciate it. I know you're gonna do great in your next record attempt. What day is that? When can we watch that?
Enrique Zapata: In the thirty first, May 31.
Tom Rowland: May 31. Okay. And that's gonna be on your Instagram. Are you gonna put that out there?
Enrique Zapata: Yeah. Through my Instagram, I'll be doing Instagram lives. Yeah. That's that's the way that's the way to follow-up.
Tom Rowland: Alright. Very cool. Alright. Your Instagram is e z dot biohacker, And that's Enrique Zapata. And, that's where you can that's where you can follow him. So go to that Instagram. I'm not sure if you have other, social media. Is it mostly Instagram is where you are?
Enrique Zapata: Mostly Instagram. Yeah. Mostly mostly Instagram because I take care of it, and, yeah, I don't have that much time for other platforms.
Tom Rowland: I gotcha. I gotcha. You're doing pull ups all the time. It's hard to type while you're doing pull ups.
Enrique Zapata: When the police are bad, you know?
Tom Rowland: Yeah. I plan on, keeping in touch with you and I'm gonna try your super glue trick. Hopefully we got Murph coming up on Monday. So, hopefully that's, I won't tear, but if I do, I'll have some super glue with
Enrique Zapata: me. You know, for for the for the for the ankles, if you go for a long walk, if you are if you are rocking or or you are hunting or whatever to maybe get some some blisters in the foot, on your ankles, it it helps. It makes a difference for me. I love it. Just try it.
Tom Rowland: That's awesome. Mhmm. Good try. I'll do it. Okay. Enrique, thank thank you so much, and, good luck on your on your attempt. We'll be watching from Instagram and, everybody go follow him and, good luck. We'll see you soon.
Enrique Zapata: Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Take take good care.
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