Capt. Angie Scott - The Woman Angler & Adventurer

Cold Open and Introduction

Angie Scott: So we worked with anybody from the top superstars like Shania Twain, Dixie Chicks, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, you know. We had Rock Axe, Train, John Mayer, Kings of Leon, on and on. And then we, you know, of course, you need to work with the baby acts too because you're hoping that they'll grow. So we had the whole spectrum of tours. We were booking the little clubs way on up to the major venues, you know, arenas and stuff like that. So, you know, and I know over the years, I got I did get more into songwriting. I actually got a publishing deal with a new brand new publisher in town, but I had to be careful because I worked in the business, so I didn't really wanna use those context to pitch my songs. You know? I'm Angie Scott from The Woman Angler & Adventurer, and this is the Tom Rowland podcast.

Tom Rowland: Hey, everybody. Welcome to the podcast today. You know, on this podcast, we talk so many times about people who are pursuing their passion, people who have, found something that they really wanna do, and for whatever reason, they've made a change in their life to accommodate those goals, and I love those stories. And today, we've got another story like that for you. Angie Scott runs The Woman Angler, and she asked me to be on her podcast, and then I followed up and had her on mine. She's got a great story about how she is following her passion and also helping a lot of people get into the sport of fishing. So stand by for a great conversation with my friend, Angie Scott. Angie, how you doing?

Angie Scott: I'm doing great.

Tom Rowland: I appreciate you coming down and being on the show today.

Angie Scott: Yeah. Just a quick jump over here to Chattanooga from Nashville.

Tom Rowland: Right on. Too bad. So the woman angler, that's your that's your podcast and and adventurer too. Right?

Angie Scott: Yep. The woman angler and adventurer.

Minnesota Walleye Roots

Tom Rowland: So how did this whole thing start for you?

Angie Scott: Well, I grew up fishing in Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Lakes. We, fish walleye mostly growing up and, got older, moved down to Nashville. I wanted to work in the music industry. And so I went to school, found out they had music business schools in in the Nashville area, and I was like, well, that's where I need to be. That's what I wanna do. So I made the move down here. Didn't Didn't know anybody. Went to school, got in the music business, was kinda dedicated thinking about that for many years. And, the only fishing opportunities I get would be when I travel back up to Minnesota in the summer. We go up to a cabin on a lake up north, and that was, like, my week to fish for the year. And so I all I wanted to do was just nonstop fish when we go up there.

Tom Rowland: Like pike and walleye? Or

Angie Scott: Yeah. Mostly walleye. We go up to Lake Vermilion. It was probably one of my favorite places to fish, pretty far up there, North Of Duluth. Yeah. And, mostly walleye, but I didn't mind I love the toothy fish. Any kind of fish I could catch in teeth.

Tom Rowland: When I when I was a kid, that's when I wanted to do the the toothy fish. Uh-huh. My dad took me to Northern Saskatchewan. Mhmm. And, that was a trip. Every fish had teeth. Like, we caught, Northerns. We caught lake trout, walleye, grayling. Okay. I guess that's probably it. But, yeah, I like the teeth.

Angie Scott: Yep. That's cool. So my dad, he he likes to golf too, so he wanna kinda mix it up. But I was kinda constantly like, let's go fishing. Let's go fishing. So I would just fish off the dock if they went and did something else. You know? But, anyway, over the years, I kinda started thinking about, you know, there's opportunities in Nashville for fishing. There's Old Hickory Lake, which is actually where the world record walleye was caught. And then there's Percy Priest Lake, which unfortunately doesn't have any walleye, but still a pretty good fishery for catfish and bass and bluegill stuff. So I started taking advantage of that from the shore. I would go out bank fishing and found some spots I liked and started doing that more and more.

Buying the Quest Pontoon

Angie Scott: And as I'm advanced in my career, I kinda got to the point where I was like, why don't I buy a boat? You know? So I started looking into boats. I was maybe thinking about getting, like, a tracker, you know, something, deep v boat, you know, what I grew up fishing in. And, one day, ag came across my Facebook for these small pontoons. I was like, that's an interesting idea. They're really well equipped for fishing. They had live wells and rod holders and all that. And the smaller size, I was like, maybe that I could make that in my price range. So I started investigating it and, and found out, you know, emailed with the company. I said, this is kind of the price range I'm looking at. Can you I've expected they would were gonna laugh at me because I hadn't in my head that pontoons are, like, super expensive. And, and they came back and said, yeah. We can totally work with that. So I actually went to the Nashville Boat Show, ordered my boat, kinda customized it how I wanted. It was a Quest pontoon, and, and I I even I was thinking far enough ahead. I'm like, I really love fishing. I might wanna do guide guiding or charters one day. So I designed it. They they had an option for a wheelchair gate, and I thought, you know, I might wanna take kids out or veterans or something. You know? So I had that put in. We kinda it was cool that they were able to work with me and design it the the exact way, you know, for what I wanted to use it for.

Tom Rowland: How long is it?

Angie Scott: It's only 16 feet.

Tom Rowland: Really? And so is it two pontoons?

Angie Scott: Yep. Just two pontoons. And in the back, they have something they call fish fish station. It's got a little live well, and then it's just like a cutting board and a measuring board all built in, a bump board type thing. And then there's another live well under one of the seats. So, it's pretty cool. And so once I got that, it was kinda like game on. My obsession came back, and I was out all the time. If I wasn't fishing, I was out on the lake writing songs with friends. And so it was cool that I got the pontoon because it was so much more versatile than a deep sea boat would have been.

Tom Rowland: The biggest bass I've ever caught in my entire life was off a pontoon. Actually, probably the five biggest bass I've ever caught in my life was off a pontoon boat. Cool. Yeah. And, you know, so many times you don't need anything, but, you just need to be in that location. Right? Like Yeah. And then pontoon boat's super comfortable Mhmm. Like, in a lot of situations. And, yeah. Sounds great. Yeah. Like, it's for that area. So are you still working in the same boat?

Angie Scott: Well, so I kept my relationship up with them and, started the podcast out of my love for fishing in the outdoors. I actually had done a songwriting podcast, before through my work in the music industry and stuff, and I've written songs over the years. I had one actually recorded a couple years ago, which is cool. Not by a big artist or anything like that, but it was cool to you know, you can go on iTunes or Spotify and download it.

Tom Rowland: What's it called?

Angie Scott: It's It's called One Day at a Time by Ricky Lee.

Tom Rowland: Okay.

Angie Scott: He's from Pennsylvania, but he did a great job. Turned out awesome. So it's fun to hear that. But, so, over the years, I, know, kept up my relationship with them. Like I said, started the podcast that's kinda slowly been growing. And, couple years ago or, yeah, I guess it was last year at the boat show, I knew the guys from Quest were coming into town, and I said, hey. Let's go to lunch. And, started telling them all my ideas. I got my captain's license now, and I'm been doing some charters out on the lake, just kinda more recreational cruises, not really fishing guide stuff. But, I I was telling them all my ideas. Like, I could get some songwriters out. We can do some videos and some cool stuff on the boat. And they're like, we need to get you a demo boat. And I said, yeah. That that sounds like a great idea. Let's do that. So I was fortunate enough to be able to run a 25 foot Quest Avanti pontoon this past summer.

Tom Rowland: Wow.

Angie Scott: And it was awesome. It has all the bells and whistles. They put a diving board on there. And so we just had a blast with it this past year and did some fishing. We did a kids fishing day, took some kids out from the boys and girls club, and they all caught fish.

Tom Rowland: And Oh, that's great.

Angie Scott: Yeah. So it's been fun. It's I mean, that's it's been a wild journey.

Falling in Love with the Music Business

Tom Rowland: Yeah. So I wanna know about how you how that journey started. So were you a musician that led you into wanting to be in the music business? Or it sounded kind of it almost sounded to me like like you were interested in the business part of the of music.

Angie Scott: I was mostly interested in in the business part. I think it started out as, just a love being a fan of music. You know? My brother is a drummer. He plays in a band up in Minnesota now. So I grew up with that in the house. My dad had a guitar, but he he played it a little bit, not he wasn't big into it. And I kinda picked it up, and I became a fan of some certain bands, and I'd get the chord book and try to learn, so I learned chords. You know? That was kinda the extent of my I don't have any rhythm. So I knew that that wasn't gonna be something I'd pursue, but I was creative as far as writing and stuff. And I'd write poems, and that kinda led into writing songs. So that was kinda in the back of my mind, but I didn't have any, intentions of that being, like, my full time career.

Tom Rowland: Right.

Angie Scott: I was really interested in the business side of the music industry. Like, who who was the record label president when, you know, this band was on MCA records or whatever. You know? Like, so to me, the executives in the music industry were the stars. Yeah. So when I got to MTSU and I got to do internships, one of my heroes was Tony Brown. He used to play piano for Elvis, and then he played for the Oak Ridge Boys, and then he was the president of MCA Records for a long time. And I got to do and my first internship was with a new label that he had just started with Tim DuBois, and I was like, wow. This is so cool. I got to work out of his office one day when he was out of town, and, they put me in there as an intern. I'm sitting at his desk work, and I'm like, wow. This is awesome.

Tom Rowland: So your internship happened before you went to MTSU?

Angie Scott: No. It was it was daring. Yep.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. Because a lot of people, you know, that I think that they should do that. Like, even my kids today, they're they have certain interests, and it's like, well, I'm gonna change my major and do these things. It's like, well, is there any opportunity to see what that person does for at least one day? Mhmm. I I know this one person that went to nursing school, and she was, amazing. She did great. And then, you know, she gets out, and she doesn't wanna be a nurse anymore. And I was like, why? She's why I had I had no idea what nurses did. Like, you didn't wanna do an internship, like, not even once to see, like, what goes on on a daily basis. I just found that crazy, but I'm a big believer in internships. Yeah. Like

The MTSU Pivot

Angie Scott: My story is kinda similar to yours in a way where I'd I was going to school. I was always I was kind of an average student, you know, and I went to University of Minnesota at first because I wanted to work in the music business, but at that time, I didn't know that there were music business schools. So my plan was just to go to University of Minnesota, get in their business school, study accounting or something, and then maybe get a job as an accountant for a record label or something like that. And, my grades just weren't good enough. I didn't realize how competitive their business school was, but my adviser was like, you're not gonna be able to get into the school if you don't have at least a 3.6.

Tom Rowland: Wow.

Angie Scott: And I was sitting at, like, a 3.3 or something like that. So it was just kinda luck I discovered, music business schools. I was watching Prime Time Country one night, which used to be on the Nashville network.

Tom Rowland: Mhmm.

Angie Scott: And they were interviewing the Oak Ridge Boys, and their manager, Jim Halsey, was on, and he has a school in Oklahoma City that's a music business school. And I was like, woah. These things exist? So I started researching it, and I found Belmont and MTSU. And I chose MTSU because it's a state school. It was gonna be a lot cheaper and went down there, and all of a sudden, I got a four point o. It's like when you find your passion, all of a sudden, it's, like, easy. You know?

Tom Rowland: And so it's interest my son went to Belmont, and he was almost all of his friends, were in interested in music. He was interested in being, like, a a a one man show kind of video person. And there was a great program there that would teach you, video editing, you know, writing, muse a little bit of music, a little bit of music editing, animation, like, all the things, graphics, all the things that would allow you to be you know, you could shoot YouTube videos or you could shoot, you know, whatever. Mhmm. You know, TV show. And he got into that and really, really liked it. But most of the people at Belmont were doing something similar to what you were doing. Either they were musicians or they wanted to be in the business part of of the music. That's interesting. So when when you go there and and you experience this love for learning what you're interested in, what kind of things did it take, like, a year to get into the kind of classes that really excited you, or did you have to kinda go through all the core stuff first?

Angie Scott: So I had the two years at the University of Minnesota.

Tom Rowland: Oh, right. Right.

Angie Scott: So I transferred those credits down, but it was really bizarre because University of Minnesota was one of the only schools that was still on trimesters. So

Tom Rowland: My high school was on trimesters. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's weird.

Angie Scott: So my credits all just didn't transfer over right. You know? And my adviser was like, well, you've had all this economics. You know? I took a lot of pre business type classes like accounting and economics. She's like, let's just take those credits and apply those to towards your biology credit. I was like Nice. Yeah. Let's do that. So I actually got through all through college never having to take biology. It was Nice. Super bizarre, but and it kinda set me back a little bit. I had to go a little longer. But because I had all that stuff, I was pretty much able to start with a lot of music business related classes, and they still have, like, a small core group of classes you have to take before you get into whatever kinda path you really wanna dial into. Mhmm. So one of my first classes I'll never forget was history of rock and roll. Nice. I'm like, wow. I'm getting graded on the history of rock and roll. This is

Tom Rowland: Was it hard? Because it seems like that would be, like, a super easy class, but you can get fooled with a class like that in college, and my kids have too. Like, one of them took, history of film or something like that, and he was like, this could be so easy. We're probably gonna study, like, Step Brothers and and funny movies, and it wasn't like that at all. It was really hard. Was that class difficult?

Angie Scott: It it was difficult. I mean, there's a lot of information you had to learn, and I was kind of a crazy note taker. So I would almost write the lecture word for word as he was going over stuff in class, and then I'd go back and I'd have all these notes, pages and pages of notes. But like I said, you know, I was so interested in it that it it was hard. Yes. But it you know, I enjoyed it, so it didn't seem as hard. Yeah. So and then all all the while, I'm still writing songs just for fun. You know? I had some friends I met there, and we would kinda co write together and never became anything more than that. But I did all these internships, knew the right people, was in the right place at the right time, landed a job at a booking agency, one of the biggest booking agencies in the country. I was very, very blessed. I never even heard of it, though, because there's this other agency that's kinda the one that was in all our textbooks and stuff. It's called William Morris Agency. And so when I got the job at Creative Artist Agency, I called one of my professors. I was like, so this company, creative artist agency, offered me a job. Should I take it? He's like, yes. I'm like, okay.

Tom Rowland: That's a good one.

Angie Scott: Yeah. So I called him the next day, said I'll take it, and I was there for sixteen years.

Sixteen Years at Creative Artists Agency

Tom Rowland: So what do you do as a as a booking agency?

Angie Scott: Well, I worked, in the contracts department, and then there's agents that actually book the shows. So they route tours for artists. They, you know, do the deals with the venue or the promoters. So we worked with anybody from the top superstars like Shania Twain, Dixie Chicks, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw. You know? We had Rock Axe, Train, John Mayer, Kings of Leon, on and on. And then we'd you know, of course, you need to work with the baby axe too because you're hoping that they'll Mhmm. Grow. So we had the whole spectrum of tours. We were booking the little clubs way on up to the major venues, you know, arenas and stuff like that.

Songwriting and Seeing the Writing on the Wall

Tom Rowland: How did you see in sixteen years, how did you see the music business change?

Angie Scott: It's growing, especially in Nashville. You know? Obviously, it's a lot more rock. You know, people are moving here from California and New York and stuff and realizing what a dynamic city Nashville and dynamic music industry scene it is now. That was probably the biggest change I saw. I also saw a growth of women in the industry. You know? When I started, I think there was one female agent in our entire company, and now that's growing. You know? So that that was another thing I saw. And just really, just the growth of Nashville has just been insane.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. It is. I mean, it's spreading it's spreading to all north, Southeast, and West of Nashville Yeah. As well. Yeah. My I I told you my wife grew up in Nashville, and I've seen it change Yeah. A lot.

Angie Scott: Yeah. I mean, in the twenty years I've been there, it's almost unrecognizable now. Even Music Row, they've torn down a lot of the historic buildings, and they're putting in these huge high rise office complexes and condos and apartments and hotels, and it's crazy.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. Last time I went to Nashville, I saw about eight cranes. As I looked over the city, there were just these cranes everywhere building Yep. Another sunrise.

Angie Scott: Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, and then over the years, I got I did get more into songwriting. I actually got a publishing deal with a new brand new publisher in town, but I had to be careful because I worked in the business, so I didn't really wanna use those contacts to pitch my songs. You know? So I couldn't I felt kinda handicapped.

Tom Rowland: Taboo or what?

Angie Scott: Yeah. I mean Bad form. Yeah. Kinda. I think so. I don't know. Maybe it come we were talking earlier about self promotion and how it's hard to promote yourself, but maybe it's part of that too. But, I kinda had to rely on song pluggers that work for the publisher to pitch my stuff. And, songwriting in Nashville is very, very difficult. It's very political to who you write with and who they've gotten songs recorded with before almost more than how good the song actually is. And you really need to be in it day in, day out, and I just didn't have obviously, I work full time too, but I didn't have that dedication or or the courage to take that leap to do it. So, so, anyway, fishing, you know, with the boat, buying the boat, starting the podcast. It's become a bigger and bigger thing. And I I could kinda see my position where I was working, evolving, and I could kinda see it probably wasn't gonna be around for forever, the way that the business was changing, technology, and things like that.

Tom Rowland: That's what I'm interested in. I mean, like, what what did you see the writing how how did you see the writing on the wall? Like, this isn't things are changing.

Angie Scott: Yeah. Well, they they developed this new software program that was really gonna automate a lot of things, a lot of things that I had my hands in. And so I could see over time, and I was kinda helping develop this software. You know? I'm like, I'm kinda digging my own grade here. But, you know, I I also was lucky enough I'd done it long enough that I knew that that wasn't really where my heart was anymore, and so I didn't really mind helping. Right. And, it I could see it. You know? That's one of the big reasons I started the podcast because I could see that happening, and I wanted to build something that maybe not necessarily I could fall back on, but something that I could start working toward building something else. You know?

It Pays to Fish: Starting the Podcast

Tom Rowland: So podcast, how long ago was that?

Angie Scott: Just about two years ago.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. And you said that you had a podcast on songwriting at one point?

Angie Scott: Yeah. At one point, I was a cohost on a podcast about Soul Night.

Tom Rowland: Mhmm. Okay. So did that one have some success and then then you kinda saw what podcasting was all about and wanted to do that? Or what why was it podcasting?

Angie Scott: It didn't really have much success. I mean, we had some fans. It was kinda weird. We met couple, you know, and it's like, oh, they want my their picture with me. You know? It was kinda weird. But it introduced me to podcasting, like, the kind of the back end. I didn't do the editing stuff. My cohost did that, but I did songwriting demos, so I kinda understood how to work, like, GarageBand, which is what I use to edit our podcast. And I think, really, I listened I think that really introduced me to listening to podcasts. So I listen to a lot of podcasts, a lot of marketing podcasts, business podcasts. So one of them that I really love to listen to is Smart Passive Income I I don't know that one. Pat Flynn.

Tom Rowland: Okay.

Angie Scott: And he, started a podcasting kinda one zero one type thing. So I'd I was like, that's an interesting idea. And so I was like, I would love to have some sort of passive income, you know, which podcasting is really a lot of work, so it's not really passive income. But, but he talked about how beneficial podcast can be, and, he had this whole system on how to learn how to do it from beginning to end. And I I just said, you know, this this could be really interesting. What would I do it on? Well, what's my biggest passion right now? It's fishing. You know? So I actually started a podcast. My or initially, it was called It Pays to Fish, and I was I was featuring people who make a living in the fishing industry in all different aspects. And I tried to think outside the box, so not just your typical fishing guides or tournament anglers. I had some of my first guests was, Casey Scott who does all the artwork

Tom Rowland: Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Angie Scott: For hook. I don't know if he still does, but at the time. And,

Tom Rowland: Not wearing any at this current moment, but, yes, I do.

Angie Scott: Yeah. And, I did a guy who started an app, called Fish Donkey, which is a new way to run fishing tournaments without having to take your fish to the weigh in. You know? Yeah. Just things like that.

The Pivot to The Woman Angler & Adventurer

Angie Scott: I was trying to think outside the box. And then one of the interviews I did was with this lady up in Wisconsin who runs this group called Wisconsin Women Fish. It's this huge group of women that are just super die hard passionate about fishing. They do a fish camp every year. This last year, they had 70 women come. And when I interviewed her, that's when I kinda got the most interaction, the most downloads, the most excitement. And I started looking around, and I didn't really see any other podcasts that were just about women and fishing or the outdoors or hunting or whatever. And so, I started the wheels kinda started turning. Maybe I should shift. You know, like, Salt Strong, Joe and Luke Simonds are down there in Florida, and they're kinda doing the same type of thing I was doing. Not that there isn't room for multiple people to do the same thing, but, you know, they're already featuring people who make a living in the fishing industry. And, so, anyway, I called Barb Carey is the lady up in Wisconsin. I called her and I said, what do you think about if I shifted the focus of my show to this? And she's such a huge promoter of women and and fishing, and she said, that's a great idea. I don't think you should just limit it to fishing, so that's why I added the and adventure. Mhmm. And, so we've had, you know, women who are into shooting sports, who are into hunting, and but we tend to do a lot of fishing related stuff just because that's my main passion. You know? But, anyway, so I made that shift. And then a few episodes into that, she called me up and said, would you like a partner on the show? She she did a radio show up there and was kinda getting away from that, but she still wanted an outlet for all the great stories that she can gather throughout her travels and adventures and stuff. And I said yes. Yeah. Because I was still working full time at that time, and, I could only put out one episode every other week. I I mean, that was already stretching me to the limits to to do that. And so bringing her on was a huge help, and so we were able to start doing a weekly podcast.

Tom Rowland: And how do you do that? Is she are you in two different locations?

Angie Scott: Yeah. Most of the time, She's up in Wisconsin. We've kind of evolved, gotten better over the years. When we first started over the year, I guess, I should say. We've when we first started so I use Skype. I was already using that to do all my interviews, and I have a little recorder on there. And, I would all my guests would be over the phone. So when I started doing shows with her, she would be on the phone as well. So it would be me with the mic and kind of the studio setup and then a guest and her, and we would do interviews that way.

Tom Rowland: Nice.

Angie Scott: Now she's got the Skype setup as well with the microphone and everything. So we're both connected that way, and then we usually sometimes we have a guest who also has Skype, and that's awesome. Kinda sounds better. But, but, now that I'm doing this full time, I've been doing a lot of traveling, and we've been able to do a lot of stuff in person, which has been cool.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. That's great. Yeah. I think the in person ones are are definitely better.

Angie Scott: Yeah. I mean I agree.

Tom Rowland: I don't know. The conversation's just better. I have had some really good ones that are over the phone. But for the most part, I think the conversation just goes far better and the sound quality's better in person. But

Angie Scott: Less editing that way too because you talk over each other a lot when you can't see each other. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. That's a problem. And especially when you have three people, that becomes a real problem because now the person listening is hearing nothing, but they don't even understand what's going on. Right. I always tend to look at a podcast that that I'm about to listen to. And if it's got three guests, even some of the highest, quality ones like Joe Rogan or something, if he's got three or four guests, I tend to just skip right over that one. I thought I like the one on one because of the talking over.

Angie Scott: Right.

Women in Fishing: Culture and Barriers

Tom Rowland: That's a that's a big thing. So what do you think the status of of women in fishing is today?

Angie Scott: It's grown so much. I mean, so and we've talked about this a lot on my podcast, but growing up in Minnesota, it's a totally different culture than here in Tennessee. Up there, it's families, moms, dads, kids going out fishing all the time. It's just there's so many lakes, so many fishing opportunities. It's just a part of the culture. Mhmm. And so there's a lot more independent women up there now because they've had all this experience, with their husbands or dads, you know, growing up, going out all the time. So you'll see a lot more than I see in Nashville women out there in the boat by themselves fishing or with their kids or whatever. You know? And, the high school fishing thing is really big up there. It's it's with bass fishing, it's becoming more popular down in the South as well. But, me being on Percy Priest Lake, when I look out, I almost never see a woman by herself. If I do see a woman, it's with her husband, and that's even rare. It's mostly just guys all the time. And so I felt kinda isolated being out there by myself, the only woman, not knowing any other women who are into fishing. Now through the podcast, I'm starting to uncover more and more. We just did a live podcast at the Nashville Boat Show and featured women from the Middle Tennessee area who they fish a lot of them fish competitively on the lady bass anglers association tournament Mhmm. Scene. And and so now I'm finding more and more, but it's not it's still way different than it is up north. And so I'd like to see that change.

Tom Rowland: Yeah.

Angie Scott: And it's it's a culture thing, I think.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. It it could be. I don't know. You and and I just did a podcast your podcast before this, which was fun.

Angie Scott: Thank you for having me.

Tom Rowland: Thanks for doing that. And in that, you you referred to fishing as the great equalizer, which I had never really heard that before, but you're exactly right. Like, I see no reason why women wouldn't embrace fishing. And but yet, maybe it is a cultural thing. Why why is it do you think that that just it's a male dominated sport for the most part.

Angie Scott: I mean, maybe just over history because it you know, even with catch and release and handling the fish with respect and all that, it's still a blood sport at the end of the day. So, you know, and it's, you know, maybe men went out and fished to provide for the family and that type of thing, and it's just kind of evolved over the years. I think a lot of women are still intimidated to get into it. You know, this is a lot that especially if you're using a boat, you know, you gotta learn how to back a trailer down the ramp. If you don't have a mentor or somebody to to take you under their wing and show you all that stuff to just go out on your own and learn it, it's it's a little bit intimidating. You know? Especially when you look around and all it is is men everywhere. You know?

Tom Rowland: Seems like that's a great opportunity, like, to to be that mentor.

Angie Scott: Oh, yeah.

Tom Rowland: Like, is that part of your your mission or your your your, vision for the future?

Angie Scott: Definitely. Yeah. And what we're doing on our show is sharing stories of women who have overcome that barrier, you know, whether they did find a mentor or some of them learned on their own. I just interviewed we just had a episode where with this captain down in Florida, she fishes the Crystal River. Name's captain Stacy Horack, and that's her story. Her she she used to go out with her husband every now and then, but she was never in into fishing. He loved to fish, but never caught anything. And if they did catch something, it was like a catfish or something. You know? And, but her 11 year old daughter really loved being out on the boat and said when when they got divorced, her her daughter said, you know, the worst thing about this is we're never gonna get to go out on the boat again. And her mom said, why? And she said, because women can't drive boats. And she said, well, why do you think women can't drive boats? And she said, well, I've never seen one. So, like, that next week, she went out and bought found a good deal in a used G3 and, went to the ramp at midnight, practice backing it down the ramp, like, 50 sometimes, went out the next day and took her daughter out and well, her daughter was with her actually when she was practicing too. And, they went out a couple more times, caught a nine and a half pound bass, and then it was, like, all over after that. Now she's captain. She takes people out guiding. You know? And so just stories like that. We have couple mottos on our show, and one is if she can do it, I can do it. So that through that is one of the missions of our show is to share those stories and hopefully inspire other women to give it a try. Mhmm. But we would like to get into more education and, hands on stuff. We have a new episode now. It's five minute Friday where we share tips. We did one on trailer maintenance, the importance of checking your wheel bearings and knowing how to properly load a trailer, you know, and weight distribution, stuff like that. But we would love to do more hands on stuff.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. It would seem like there would be a it would be wide open for, like, a weekend kinda thing to where you, you know, figure out, like, what are the main things that are are are are keeping women from being in this sport, like, back in a trailer. K? So number one, we're gonna learn how to back a trailer. Number two, we're gonna whatever. Whatever the next Right. The next, you know, most challenging or most intimidating kinda thing. Seems like that would be there would be, like, an opportunity for for, like, a weekend seminar that you could just And

Angie Scott: the and there are some that are popping up in different regions and stuff. And Barb, my cohost, like I mentioned, she has that Wisconsin women fish group. They just did an ice fishing one zero one this past weekend where bunch of ladies came out. They showed them the basics of ice fishing. And so there's opportunities like that with the podcast being a well, really a global platform, but, you know, national platform where we're reaching people in Florida, in the Midwest, and, you know, all over. It would be cool to figure out a way to travel around and do some, you know, regional or local

Tom on Women Anglers and Guides

Tom Rowland: I think there I think you could definitely do that. I mean, there there are lots of podcasts that are going around now and doing these live events and, and selling out big theaters and all kinds of stuff. I don't know. My my feeling is that as as, Twitter, Instagram, these short little pieces of information become more popular, then there's a longing for more of a, in person longer form

Angie Scott: Mhmm.

Tom Rowland: Kinda thing. And so, yeah, I it seems like the with the popularity of that, you also see rising the popularity of these in person events. Yep. And and I think that, man, that seems like a really good opportunity with the women. I don't I I've always I mean, my experience with with, women in fishing is that they're generally far better. Like, if you take, for example, I told you about, when a river runs through it came out. Mhmm. When when I first started guiding and we had this huge influx of people. And they were every shape and size, every country, every everybody was wanted to fish after that. And so you would have generally, you'd have a family or you'd have a couple that would come, and the dude thinks he knows everything. And then, you could just say, okay, let's let's go through the casting lesson. Almost immediately, the woman could cast better than the guy, and then she always listened more, and she always caught more fish. Mhmm. Like, always. It was I mean, if I had if I could bet on it, it would be like, okay. Money's money's right there.

Angie Scott: Mhmm.

Tom Rowland: Definitely. Almost every single time. And, I I just kind of it it made me kinda wonder, like, I wonder what it is. Like, why is it even on a guiding kinda thing, that that women don't gravitate to it? But I don't know. I mean, a lot do. I've taken tons of of women fishing. And then even, during that time, we had three or four, three, then three women guides in in the outfit because it grew from six to 29, and three of those were were women. And they had a great, a great clientele. In fact, even, what was the name? Perkins from Orvis, Leigh Perkins. He insisted absolutely have to fish with Lori-Ann Murphy every time. He never fished with anybody else. He fished with Lori-Ann. That was his favorite guy. So that, she was she was fantastic. But, you know, I don't I don't see any reason that except for you know, there's there's intimidation from every everyone. I mean, like, backing a trailer in front of a bunch of people is pretty intimidating for anyone. Like, that but that seems like something that is really easy to overcome Right. Especially with the technology. Now my truck's got this little thing that you turn. Do you use that at all?

Angie Scott: No.

Tom Rowland: I don't use it either. But you're supposed to put this sticker on your trailer and your sticker on your on your bumper, and it it can tell I don't know. You turn it just like you're turning a steering wheel. Like, you know, you'd you gotta do the steering wheel backwards, but you turn this thing. I haven't tried it yet, but they're starting to put all this stuff in vehicles, which makes it easier for anyone to back a trailer, which I'm all in favor for because when people are terrible at backing a trailer, it's not fun for anyone. Right.

Bachelorette Parties and Pontoon Karaoke

Angie Scott: Well, you know, women are the fastest growing segment of fishing and boating right now, so I think it is, you know, it is changing. One of the areas of challenge is the retention part. Like, they may buy a license one year and then not renew it the next year, and I think that's where the education piece needs to come in. You know? Women, a lot of times, are more comfortable learning from other women. So I think more women need to step up and be that mentor like we were talking about. You know? Mhmm. And so that's what I'm trying to do with boating. I have my captain's license. I've been doing charters out on my lake, taking people out, and I've found most of my bookings are women, you know, because they're just more comfortable with a female captain. So I'm kind of at a nice advantage in that regard, especially in Nashville. It's, like, the number one destination for bachelorette parties. So all these people wanna come down and hang out on the pontoon and have a good time.

Tom Rowland: Man, that's a great idea. I didn't even think about that.

Angie Scott: So next this season, my big plan is pontoon karaoke. Yeah. Yeah.

Tom Rowland: I love it.

Angie Scott: Thank you.

Tom Rowland: That's fantastic. Well, when the last time I was in Nashville, we saw went to dinner right down there on the on Broadway or on the Strip or whatever they call it these days. I didn't know about it being the number one bachelorette party destination, but everything from tractors pulling trailers to the buses without the top on them to really nice buses and all of these things which are

Angie Scott: like tubs. Yeah. Insane.

Tom Rowland: I saw it all. We were at one of those restaurants where the the, you know, the it just opened right out to Broadway. And it's a it's a four way stop right in front of we're right on the corner. So they're coming from right, they're coming from left, they're coming from behind us, from in front of us. It was a steady stream. Mhmm. I mean, if you can't tap into some of that,

Angie Scott: like Exactly.

Tom Rowland: That sounds amazing, like a great opportunity.

Angie Scott: Yeah. So, hopefully, that will be that'll be really good for you.

Tom Rowland: Boats, perfect perfect

Angie Scott: thing for that. Exactly. Yeah.

Tom Rowland: Throw a grill on there.

Angie Scott: Yep. And, you know, Percy Priest, that's where Little Big Town recorded the video for Pontoon in Party Cove. People wanna see that, you know, Craig Morgan's Redneck Yacht Club that was written about a marina out there, and the video was filmed on Percy Priest. So I'm I feel like I'm in the perfect location and have the perfect market. And now throwing some karaoke, who could resist?

Tom Rowland: Man, sounds great. My daughter's got a karaoke machine in the in the basement, and, man, her and her friends love that. So, that sounds that sounds terrific. You know, there's so many different ways to, to tailor to an audience. Like, that what you just said is is thinking outside of the box, and you can have a a remarkably successful charter business like that. Like, I'm thinking, okay. There's gonna be five pontoon boats. And you know what I mean?

Angie Scott: Scale it.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. You could scale it up. Partner up here. I think I might. I think I might. I mean, I see the potential there because the potential is, you know, in the Florida Keys, we had, when I first started in the Florida Keys, it was either offshore or skiff. There was almost no one in the middle ground at all. And if they were, it was like these eco tours, very little fishing. So the family would come down there and they're like, I don't know. You know, the kids are kinda young to go offshore. Everybody's probably gonna get sick, which happens a lot. And, so there was kind of an apprehension of going offshore. And then the offshore guys, like, look, we're going fishing. We're going to the reef. You know, there's nothing I I don't do anything else. So it was either that or now we need to get, like, three or four skiffs Mhmm. To take this whole family. And, when we started fishing the the redfish tournaments, we ended up getting a bay boat. And the bay boat was I mean, there were certainly kind of bay boat like boats in the Florida Keys, but there weren't any that had trolling motor or power pole. And all of a sudden, I'm taking this boat out. I'm like, I could easily take a family of five on this boat. Put a little put a little, top on it, give somebody some shade, and, it opened up a whole market that didn't exist. And now the bay boat market there, I would I would venture to say that it's probably more booked in the Florida Keys than either the skiff market or the offshore market on a year round basis.

Angie Scott: Mhmm.

Tom Rowland: Because, you know, families, they go there and they wanna they wanna go. And there's too many people first gift and and no and nobody wants to go offshore and get sick.

Angie Scott: Right.

Tom Rowland: And so that's what I see with what you're talking about is, like, that's an opportunity. So now you just have to market it correctly.

Angie Scott: Exactly.

Tom Rowland: How do you market it? You need to write a song. You're a songwriter.

Angie Scott: There you go.

Tom Rowland: You're a songwriter. You write a song. I heard that one song, and that dude came here, Bachelorettes on Broadway. What's that guy's name? I don't know. There's a I thought it was gonna go to number one because it was like, it was kind of yeah. It will kinda it's country kinda rap. Oh, okay. Like, country Yeah. What do you call that? Crap? Yeah. No. This guy came, and he he opened for, he opened for Dwight Yoakam. And he that was his big song, Bachelorettes on Broadway. And and it was funny because I heard that song and him sing that song right before we went to have dinner with my, with my sister-in-law and, who lives in Nashville, and I saw it. It's like, oh, that's what that song is about. And now I see it. I had no idea that there were so many people, but it is. It has become the number one destination in the world for bachelorette parties. That's crazy.

Angie Scott: Yeah.

Tom Rowland: So there are a lot of people capitalizing on it. I hope you do too, because that seems really good.

Angie Scott: Yep. I got a I got a right now, I just got a website, angiescottadventures.com, and then, Facebook page. So those are the two things, and I need to get on Google and do some ads and things like that to get the word out.

Shark Birthday Parties and Flathead Catfishing

Tom Rowland: Yeah. So The other thing is is is, fishing birthday parties. Mhmm. Because, man, I used to do shark fishing birthday parties, and it started out just for my kids because they love catching sharks. And I could go and catch these little sharks for little kids. And, so my son told me he wanted to have a shark fishing birthday party. So I was like, cool. We'll take four or five kids on the boat, and we had a little shark fishing birthday party. And then I had another one of those kids, and, you know, when his birthday came around, they were like, parents came up to him, who wants to do who wants to do a shark fishing birthday party? I was like, okay. Now this is becoming like a thing and and then it then I even was thinking about it. I was like, would somebody actually fly down here to do a shark fishing birthday party? But they did.

Angie Scott: Yeah. You got shark week, you know.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. I know.

Angie Scott: It's all the rage.

Tom Rowland: So I know it is. We just had Mark the Shark. That was a a controversial one. But shark fishing's shark fishing's, pretty popular, but your shark in the freshwater, that's the catfish. Mhmm. So you go you go cat fishing Yeah. For the flatheads. That's a that is the shark of the of the, of the freshwater, don't you think? I mean, they they, like, eat live fish.

Angie Scott: Yeah. I've only caught two flatheads on my lake and not specifically just trying to target them. I just happen to catch them. So they're there.

Tom Rowland: That's my favorite catfish that we have in the freshwater.

Angie Scott: Yeah. I don't know. Harder, I think, than than the other ones.

Tom Rowland: But they're a predator. You know, like, that's that's a that that fish like, you could fish a lab bluegill and and catch a flathead. And where it seems like all the other ones that that my experience with catfish, and I'm no expert on catfish, but you're using either, like, a piece of chicken breast or you're using some kind of worm or or something dead. And that but that flathead, man, that's a that's a predator.

Angie Scott: Yeah. And

Tom Rowland: then it kinda reminds me of of some of those fish that you see, like Jeremy Wade catching that when you go, to to the weird places and you catch those giant catfish, and they are like the ultimate predator in that in that whatever area they're in. That seems I like the sound of those kind of catfish.

Angie Scott: I had a fun opportunity this past fall where I got to go flathead catfishing at night on a pontoon. We had a we had the Angler Quest pontoon up in La Crosse, Wisconsin, which that's a triple tune. It's got big rack on it with all the rod holders that come out. I mean, that is a fishing machine. But we took that out on the Mississippi River in La Crosse, Wisconsin at night with a guide. That's all he does. He goes out every night, and he fishes for flatheads. So we had all these bluegill that they had caught. I mean, good sized bluegill.

Tom Rowland: You were using live bluegill. Right. Okay.

Angie Scott: So we would he showed us how to hook them, you know, and we actually did a little video. He was kind enough to do a tutorial video on our whole setup. And, we just throw them out there and sit and wait. And then, you know, that line starts going, and then it's on.

Tom Rowland: How big were they?

Angie Scott: We that night, we only caught one, I think. I mean, it's not usually, like, a one after another. It can be, but, it's kinda like you wait for a while, you know, but it was it was pretty big, good sized flathead catfish. Nice. We had another lady that was out with us, so we let her reel it in. She's a older lady, and she just she had a blast.

Tom Rowland: Right on.

Angie Scott: But, it was kinda cool because we were in a urban setting right there on the Mississippi. Downtown La Crosse was kinda right near us, you know, and we were sitting there, and it was really entertaining because there was, like, this high speed police chase going on. On land, it was like watching live PD while we were fishing. It was cool.

Tom Rowland: Well, if you're only gonna catch one fish, a police chase helps them out. Yeah. I wish guys over there going, yes.

Angie Scott: I wish we brought some popcorn. Sit there and watch the whole thing because it was a foot chase, and they had the dogs out, and they were yelling at the guy. And, yeah, it was crazy.

Tom Rowland: Front row seat.

Angie Scott: Yeah. I forgot. Exactly. Like, this is pretty cool.

Growing a Podcast Community

Tom Rowland: That's awesome. So, as far as as, the podcast goes, are do you, do you like that medium?

Angie Scott: I love it. Yeah. It's been great. We've got a you know, we've met so many amazing women, and, we we have a Facebook group that's been really fun. You know? So we kind of built this community around the podcast and a lot of interaction and, you know, everything's still growing. It takes time to build exposure and awareness of the show. So, hopefully, maybe through being on your show

Tom Rowland: Oh, it'll definitely it'll definitely help. Yeah. I think you should do as many as as you can because the podcast listeners are podcast listeners.

Angie Scott: Right.

Tom Rowland: Like, it's one thing to try I mean, that's, like, a big challenge for me. It's, like, how do you grow the show? Well, it mostly you need to expose it to people that are already listening to podcasts. And and it seems like being on other podcasts seems to be the the best way because those people are already interested in it. It's like a Netflix show. You're advertising to somebody that doesn't have Netflix. Like, it doesn't seem to make sense, but I I think that, being on the other podcast will definitely help.

Angie Scott: Yep. And I found too I don't know if you've if you've seen this, but it almost seems like people that are into fishing in the outdoors are kinda just now starting to discover podcasts. Like, they're not the core audience that was already listening to podcasts. You know? So it's kind of a newer thing. And so, like, when we had fish camp this past fall, 70 ladies came out to this thing and had them raise your hand. How many of you listen to podcasts? And we had each person come up and showed them how to get it on their phone and subscribe because they don't know they don't know how. They don't know what it is. Right. You know? And so it was cool to have that my dad. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was cool to have that one on one. I wish I could do that with everybody, but, you know, you can't. But, one other way that we've tried to grow is by having guests on that have bigger audiences. Like, we had Terri Clark, a country music singer. We've got a couple big ones in the works that I hope work out. You know, I don't wanna say anything to jinx it, but those types of things help too. And

Tom Rowland: Absolutely. I mean, one one big guest can I I've seen, you know, some of the more popular guests that we've had? You see the the spike, and then it then it kinda tapers off over time, but it lasts for weeks and weeks and weeks. Like, people will will, find a podcast and then listen to it for a little while, and maybe they they stop. But, I mean, even in my own podcast listening behavior, I think that, you know, I'll I'll listen to one person's podcast, and I'll listen to maybe three or four of them. And then maybe I'll move on to somebody else for a little bit, and then I come back and I catch up to those. So I always think, you know, if you have, say, you have a thousand people listening to a to an episode, you have far more than a thousand fans.

Angie Scott: Right.

Tom Rowland: Right? Because not everyone that listens to the podcast, even semi regularly, is gonna listen to every single episode. So I think it's as many as tenfold or or or more, to get the same number consistently, whatever that number is. You probably have way more people than than that listening to I mean, I do. I hope. Right. That's that's what I keep telling myself.

Angie Scott: It's tricky with, podcasts and demographics and figuring out what your actual audience size is. You don't really have all that information, you know, which makes it challenging to get support, like, from sponsors and things like that because people don't understand how podcast works. So you have to kinda educate them and

Tom Rowland: Yeah. But in my experience so far, you know, I mean, we've done the television show for I think this is the sixteenth season, and films and writing, photography, all kinds of different things. And by far, by far and maybe it just has to do with this all being completely digital media, but by far, I get more, interaction from the podcast than I've gotten from anything else. And that's a kind of an interesting thing. I also think it's it's, you know, someone gets to hear you for an hour, and they're they they either really don't like you or they really like you one or the other. But, I think it it's little more personal

Angie Scott: It is.

Tom Rowland: Than a twenty, thirty minute television show or an article or whatever. But it also lends itself to more of a community, atmosphere like what you've got going on with that Facebook group. That's that's really good and something that I've considered. You've had that going for the whole year?

Angie Scott: Yeah. Yeah. We started that pretty early on actually before we even started a Facebook page. You know, it's hard to keep up with all these different things. Now I've got the Angie Scott Adventures thing going on, and, so I was kinda reluctant to do a page for the longest time. And, we finally added that on not too long ago.

Tom Rowland: So that's a private group?

Angie Scott: Yes. We started it out as a public group, and then I I realized you get a lot more interaction when when it's a closed group because people aren't as afraid to share certain things or ask certain questions.

Tom Rowland: Right.

Angie Scott: And so yeah. Now it's a private

Tom Rowland: I mean, not to intrude on anyone's privacy, but I'm just kinda interested in what kind of subjects are being discussed in a private group. Like, is it is it about, like, the biggest challenges in getting into fishing or, like, these people are already into it or, like, what what's the what's the kind of culture in that group?

Angie Scott: We get a variety. Some are just wanting to get into it, and they ask questions. You know, we've had people ask about, you know, where where can I find waiters that fit women or whatever? You know? Stuff like that comes up. A lot of it tends to be women that are really into it, and they're sharing their, you know, photos from their day or whatever, which is important too because that's that's all you know, she can do it, I can do it. So Right. We encourage people to share that stuff so people see that and get inspired or maybe it's a different type of fishing that they hadn't tried yet. So then they ask that person questions. Oh, how, you know, how did you do that? What kinda setup were you using? Stuff like that. People interact and learn from each other. So I'd say the majority, I think, is people that are already really into it, but then we'll get, every now and then, people that are just wanting to get into it and ask questions.

Getting Moms and Kids Fishing

Tom Rowland: What about moms that want to take their kids fishing, either their sons or their daughters? That has been a question that that we've gotten a lot over the years on the on the television show and on the podcast, but it's like, I've I've thought that that's a huge opportunity both for the sport of fishing and, you know, I mean, like, that's the challenge right now is is getting the kids to not be on the video games, not be inside, but to get outside. And sometimes, those kids are watching YouTube videos of people fishing, and they wanna go fishing. And I tell their mom, I wanna go fishing. And then there's this, like, oh, okay. And it's like, where do I go? What do I do? There's all of these challenges. Mhmm. Like, I don't have any idea how to take you fishing. Like, what is that a part of of your message?

Angie Scott: Yeah. We've done a couple episodes centered around moms taking their kids fishing. We could probably do more stuff like that.

Tom Rowland: I don't think you could do it enough.

Angie Scott: Yeah. Exactly.

Tom Rowland: It's just it's not just mom. It's anyone that doesn't know about the area that they moved to a new town. Their kid says they wanna go fishing. Like, what do you do? Like, what are the resources that are available to you? Are the public ponds? You know, do you what do you do? How do you take somebody fishing? That seems like an untapped resource that needs to be I mean, for the sake of the of the sport, you know, like, we need to get these kids out there fishing. And the more information about just, like, just the simplest things like, oh, if you wanna go, you need a license. You need to go to a public pond. You don't trespass. And and this is basically how you're gonna catch a whatever. Whatever's there. But that seems like a great opportunity for resource.

Angie Scott: Yeah. We we work a lot with, Recreational Boating and Fishing Foundation and takemefishing.org. Uh-huh. They have a lot of those basic resources on their website, license sales, you know, how to buy a license, where to go. Debbie Hanson, who's down in, Southwest Florida, she does produces a lot of content for takemefishing.org, and she does, you know, a lot of basic take you know, here's a day taking a kid out fishing and, you you know, kinda walks you through the day. She does blogs and videos. And so, you you know, we support everybody involved in that, you know, and and I've actually produced some content for them. So they're a really good resource that we point people to a lot. You know? But, like, I think we could definitely focus more on on that. The the problem is reaching those women, you know, letting them know we exist as a resource to go to. You know? Because if you've never fished before, like you say, you just don't even know where to start. You might not even know that takemefishing.org exists. Right. You know? Right.

Tom Rowland: I mean, exactly. You you probably wouldn't. So that is the challenge. I mean, that's the challenge for the whole industry is, like, how do you reach those people that want to go, have the desire to go, and how do you reach them in enough time to where they don't get frustrated and just stop? Mhmm. Like, you walk into Bass Pro Shops, and you look around, and you're like Woah. Oh, wow. I thought this was gonna be way easier. And there's a zillion choices, and and, and and maybe somebody just walks out right there. Mhmm. And but how do there is, like, this this window of opportunity where the kid's interested in it. They wanna go. You gotta get to them and get the information to them as quickly as possible.

Angie Scott: I think to, like, getting messaging out to the people that listen to our show who are really into fishing. You reach out to your neighbor. Your neighbor's got kids. Are they interested, you know, in going fishing? Take them out. You know? Kinda start in your neighborhood, you know. And we we did a challenge one month where we're like, just take one kid fishing this month.

Tom Rowland: I love it.

Angie Scott: It'd be your your nephew, your niece, or your neighbor, you know, whatever. And I think that's a a really good place where it needs to start.

Tom Rowland: Right. Yeah. And and then it's not just like a kid, but, like, take another person that doesn't know anything about fishing, like and then then that's how it spreads.

Angie Scott: So

Tom Rowland: then they then the challenge to them is, okay. You gotta pay this forward. You gotta do this for somebody else.

Angie Scott: And it's not for everyone. You know? Somebody may get out there and be like, oh, I don't like touching the fish. You know?

Tom Rowland: Right. And But, you know, I mean, like, for my kids, when we first started getting my kids in involved in fishing, I was very careful not to push them. And some of them took to it or one of them took to it pretty much right away. But the others two, my son and my daughter, were kind of a little slower to come around, and what they like doing is playing in the live well. They love playing in the live well. Like, they were I'd catch live bait whether we're gonna use live bait or not, and I just have that live bait in there. And they would just they would, I mean, literally stick their head in the lab well all day long and play. It's like an aquarium. And, okay, it's like, whatever, man. They're having fun on the boat. Mhmm. Like, this is a good experience. And you know what? Sooner or later, they start picking up a rod after a while. But, yeah. It's like, you don't have to you don't have to I think that's a message too that I like to get out there. It's like, you don't have to just be super hardcore about fishing. Like, there's this whole experience

Angie Scott: Mhmm.

Tom Rowland: That fishing offers, which is a day outside rather than on the couch playing video games.

Angie Scott: Right.

Tom Rowland: And I think everybody right now can benefit from that because there's Oh, definitely. A lot of sitting on the couch playing video games.

Angie Scott: Yep. Yeah.

Future Plans and Where to Find Angie

Tom Rowland: So where do you see, where do you see this taking you?

Angie Scott: We would really love to get to the point where, we can actually travel around like I I talked about earlier. It'd be super fun to meet these women in their own environments on location, maybe have an experience with them, you know, do some video, doing a podcast episode. And then maybe in conjunction with that, we could do some kinda community events as we travel around. I think that would be kinda my ultimate dream with it. Yeah. And, as long as I can pay the bills and make it work that way, that would be awesome.

Tom Rowland: That sounds

Angie Scott: I just love spreading my passion for fishing and boating too. I mean, if these charters I'm doing out on the lake, if we're not necessarily fishing, if people wanna fish, great. But, I just love being on the water. And so if I can share my passion for boating with other people, I have an opportunity where I might be able to come some type of instructor, which should be really cool, good way to put my captain's license to use. You know? I'm all about it. So it's kinda like you have these plans, but you don't really know how they're gonna come to fruition. You know? And so I'm just kinda along for the ride and staying open to opportunities as they come about. And, it's been pretty exciting so far, so I'm pretty open to anything. I I don't wanna lock myself into one

Tom Rowland: Right.

Angie Scott: Thing because I've found it just always becomes something I couldn't even have imagined.

Tom Rowland: So there's a term for that that, that that I've heard then. And when you were explaining that, I was thinking of it. And it's there's there's ready, aim, fire. But then this other term is ready, fire, aim to where you you've gotten ready, you fired, you're taken off, and now you kind of adjust your course as as you see to to whatever, either the path of least resistance or or the path of the most acceptance or the path of of the most success or however you choose to decide that destination. I think that that you're on a great path. It seems really cool. And I don't

Angie Scott: Thanks.

Tom Rowland: I think that, you know, if there's anything that we can do to to help you, because what you're doing, getting new people into the sport of fishing, that's that's a big part of what we believe in.

Angie Scott: Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna keep on keeping on, see where all this leads.

Tom Rowland: Right on. Alright. Well, let us know if we can help you. Alright. How does everyone find all of your resources?

Angie Scott: Well, the podcast is at thewomanangler.com, and we're also on Facebook and Instagram. And, we've got the group. So if you wanna join the group, by all means, we love growing that community. And then, for my charters in Nashville, if you're gonna be coming to Nashville, check it out. Angiescottadventures.com.

Tom Rowland: Right on. Bachelorette parties. Here we come. Yeah. We're gonna have six boats over there before you know it. Alright. Angie, thank you very much for being on the show. I really appreciate it. And if you enjoyed this show, drop by iTunes and leave us a five star rating and review. That goes a long way. Stop by Angie's, social media and her website and check that out, and, we'll see you next week.