Does More Turns Strengthen an Improved Clinch Knot? Knot Wars

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On an improved clinch knot in 15-pound fluorocarbon, adding turns barely changes the strength: four turns held 11.82 pounds, five held 8.87, six held 11.75, and seven held 11.59, so there is no meaningful gain from extra wraps. In this How 2 Tuesday I keep Knot Wars going by testing whether the number of turns on the improved clinch knot actually makes it stronger, and learn the knot itself is not very strong.

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Frequently Asked Questions

Does adding turns make an improved clinch knot stronger?

Not in this test. Tying four, five, six, and seven turns on the same hook in 15-pound fluorocarbon, the results were 11.82, 8.87, 11.75, and 11.59 pounds. Apart from the low five-turn reading, which I think came from how I tied it, they were all about the same. So with matched pound test the number of turns made no meaningful difference, and you should simply tie the number of turns you are comfortable with.

How strong is an improved clinch knot?

Not very. In 15-pound fluorocarbon it tested under 12 pounds on every turn count I tried. That tells you the improved clinch is leaving a fair amount of line strength on the table. It is easy to tie and fine for plenty of situations, but if you are after maximum strength there are knots that test significantly higher, which is worth knowing before you rely on it for a big fish.

How do you tie an improved clinch knot?

Run the line through the hook eye, make a number of turns around the standing line, pass the tag back through the small loop just above the eye, and then back through the larger loop you created, which is the improvement, before cinching it down. That final pass through the big loop is what makes it improved. Plenty of videos show the steps, but the strength side is what gets tested far less often.

How many turns should you use on heavier line?

Fewer. On heavier line you can get away with fewer turns and may need to. If you are tying something like 80-pound and want it to cinch down, doing 20 turns is far harder to seat than two or three. So turn count is partly about whether the knot will even close cleanly in the line you are using, not just raw strength.

Why test the same hook and line for every knot?

To isolate the one variable you care about. By tying all four improved clinch knots on the same hook with the same 15-pound fluoro, cinched the same way, the only difference left is the number of turns. That is how you get a fair read on whether turn count matters, instead of mixing in changes in line, hook, or how hard you seated each knot.

When would you want a weaker knot on purpose?

When you want a planned break point. If you run heavy braid to a leader and throw up against trees, it helps to have the weakest knot be the one to the hook, so a snag costs you only the lure. If instead the weakest link is the braid-to-leader knot, you lose the leader and the lure and have to re-rig. So a deliberately weaker knot, like an improved clinch to the hook, can be the smart choice in snaggy water.

How to Test Turn Count on an Improved Clinch Knot

  1. Tie all the knots the same. Tie four improved clinch knots on the same hook, one after another, cinched down the same way, changing only the number of turns: four, five, six, and seven. Keeping everything else identical isolates the turn count.
  2. Use consistent line and hook. Use the same line and hook throughout. Here it was 15-pound Daiwa fluoro leader on a Gamakatsu 4/0 octopus circle hook, so the only variable is the wraps.
  3. Pull each on a force tester. Pull each knot on a digital force tester wearing gloves so you can pull smoothly and consistently. The gauge records the peak breaking strength of each.
  4. Compare the numbers honestly. Four turns held 11.82 pounds, five held 8.87, six held 11.75, and seven held 11.59. The low five-turn number is likely a tying inconsistency, so read the cluster, not a single outlier.
  5. Pick the practical takeaway. With matched pound test, turn count made no meaningful difference, so tie the number of turns you are comfortable with. Also note the improved clinch is weak, under 12 pounds on 15-pound line, so consider a stronger knot when you need strength.

The Theme of These Knot Episodes

This is an awesome Knot Wars because the question is not how to tie the knot. There are plenty of videos on tying the improved clinch, including some of my own, and YouTube is full of good ones. What almost nobody covers is the strength of the knot and whether tying it a little differently makes it stronger. That is the theme today, and we are using one of the most common knots there is: the improved clinch, basically the everyday fisherman's knot.

What Does Turn Count Actually Do?

I have always wondered how many turns you should make per pound test. With heavy line you can use fewer turns, and trying to cinch 20 turns of 80-pound down is a nightmare. So I tied four improved clinch knots on the same hook, 15-pound Daiwa fluoro on a Gamakatsu 4/0, changing only the wraps: four, five, six, and seven. Then I pulled each on the Next Tech force tester to see if more turns meant more strength.

What I Learned on the Scale

The numbers came in at 11.82, 8.87, 11.75, and 11.59 pounds. Other than the low five-turn reading, which was almost certainly my tie, there was no noticeable difference, so tie the turns you are comfortable with. The bigger lesson is that the improved clinch is just not that strong, under 12 pounds on 15-pound line. It has its place, like being the deliberate weak link to a hook when you are fishing snaggy trees, but when you need strength, it is worth looking at other knots. Hear the full run-through in the episode above.

Watch or listen above to get the full breakdown in my own words.

People & Topics Mentioned

  • Knot Wars knot-strength series
  • Improved clinch knot
  • Daiwa J-Fluoro 15-pound leader
  • Gamakatsu 4/0 octopus circle hook
  • Next Tech digital force tester
  • Uni knot (stronger alternative compared in the series)

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