Troy Casey: Reclaiming Manhood, Natural Health, and Being Ripped at 50

Full transcript of the Tom Rowland Podcast, Episode 284 with Troy Casey.

Introducing Troy Casey, the Certified Health Nut

Tom Rowland: I am always in the pursuit of health and fitness, and I'm seeking out those who can teach me a thing or two. I usually keep what is useful, discard the rest, and come up with my own little way, my own path through life that leads me to health and fitness. In the pursuit of that, I have been following Troy Casey on Instagram. Troy is also known as Certified Health Nut, and he knows a lot. He is on a lot of the same paths that I am with the breathing, with the cold water, with the Wim Hof method. Certainly, the way that he's eating is very similar to the way I'm eating, but he has much more knowledge and much more wisdom than I want to ask him about. That is our guest today, Certified Health Nut Troy Casey, coming up.

Tom Rowland: Everybody, welcome to the show today. In my pursuit of health and happiness, I'm always looking for people who are pushing the edge, pushing the extremes, and I think I might have found one. Troy Casey, he is the Certified Health Nut, and I'm really looking forward to hearing his story and finding out just how he got to where he is right now, which is someone who is a seeker, in my opinion. Troy, you are the Certified Health Nut. You just wrote a book called Ripped at 50. You are how old? 51, 52? What are you?

Troy Casey: 54.

Tom Rowland: I took a picture when I was 53. Right on, man. So I've been following you on Instagram. I have been looking at all the stuff that you do. And, dude, you have a very interesting story. I would love to know kind of how you ended up where you are right now.

From Versace Model to Health Journey

Troy Casey: Yeah. Well, it has been an interesting story, Tom. I've formulated a lot of working philosophy, working hypothesis, working theory over the years, and I've realized that there are two major forces on this planet: yin and yang, bad or good, light and dark, masculine, feminine, inhalation, exhalation. And I realized that ultimately, my curse was my gift. I had digestive problems. I had emotional upset in my second and third chakras, if you will. I had a lot of issues in my abdomen. I had indigestion, heartburn, bloating, gas. And so this was thirty-one years ago. I started a career as a model. I became a Versace model. I was economically motivated to find out how my body functioned. And so, thirty-one years later, I've amassed some level of expertise on what works good in my body, and I've uncovered some basic fundamental principles no different from the yogis or the Taoists that walked before me, or the great people in holistic health like Paul Chek. They had figured out themselves. And I've applied these principles and figured out a few things for myself. Does that make sense?

Tom Rowland: Yeah. It does. One thing that I read is that a big start to your journey was realizing that you were having a problem with black mold. Is that correct?

Black Mold, Autoimmune Issues, and Healing Through Qigong

Troy Casey: Yeah. That was, I would say, twenty-three years into my holistic health journey. I got brought down to my knees with the black mold and upper respiratory infections. I had three to five upper respiratory infections and illnesses, deep flus from 2010 to 2013. I had subsequent autoimmune issues. I had neurological dysfunction in my legs. I had chronic fatigue. I had weird arthritis that was going from one joint to the next. And you hear about this — I'm in the natural health field, the natural medicine health field. You hear about chronic fatigue, you hear about fibromyalgia, autoimmune mystery diseases, people getting told by their doctors nothing is wrong with them. Externally looking normal, but internally, especially when you look at neurological dysfunction — I'm a barefoot walker, and for my lower extremities to give out underneath me, that was a big deal. That caught my attention early on. Joint pain, going in and doing deadlifts one day of the week, and then the next couple of days when you wanna go back and do squats, all of a sudden the outside of your pelvis isn't functioning. You learn the joint structures, and it's outside of the hip, and to the point where you can't walk, you start limping.

Troy Casey: And so these weird anomalies happen, and then I told myself, no matter what disease I get, I'm gonna cure myself. I'm gonna heal myself. And then going through certain protocols, especially working with Qigong, I've developed a drunken monkey Qigong, where I come off unbalanced, and then you catch your balance, and then you move back with more rhythmic, energetic movements. Falling out of balance is nothing new for me. If you've looked at martial arts masters, they utilize certain techniques and tools, and I've been able to implement that into my Qigong to find balance within those imbalances.

Tom Rowland: I've seen you do all of that stuff on your Instagram. It's very interesting. And the Qigong — I know that a lot of people get a tremendous benefit from that. I wanna know, what was the very beginning of your health journey, how you decided you were going to take your health in your own hands and seek out these people that could help you? But a lot of this, you have to do yourself. It sounds like you've done a tremendous amount of experimentation, keep what works, cast off what doesn't work.

Fundamental Principles: Cleansing, Filters, and Moving the Lymph

Troy Casey: So one of the first books that I read was Jethro Kloss, Back to Eden. This is a big part of my holistic health principles and what I preach online: getting back to nature in all of its facets. Natural food was one of the most fundamental things that I got into. I started shopping at farmers markets while I was living in Italy. From there, I started to understand to cleanse the body, especially the organs. The colon is usually the most impacted. We hear a lot of constipation statistics — constipated colon, impacted colon, diverticulitis, colon cancer. So clean out the colon. Get the body working, utilizing fasting, juicing, herbs, internal purification. Get the enemas, get the colon working first and foremost. And then anytime you have an impacted colon, what organs are gonna get backed up next? Liver, kidneys, gallbladder.

Troy Casey: So anytime you can utilize herbs and internal purification and fasting techniques to cleanse out the filters. We have two filters and two pumps in the body. The blood is pumped by the heart, and the lymph is pumped by the actual entire body — the diaphragm, the transverse abdominis, and the pelvic floor. That is the pump for the lymph. The purpose of exercise is to move the lymph. So mobility exercise is a necessity for the human body. It's not a luxury. I learned that early on, mobilizing the tissues. Walking is the best exercise for the human body. But more importantly, we have our pumps and our filters, and our filters are our liver and our kidneys, and the bile ducts are attached to the liver. So making sure these things are functioning optimally. I personally use fasting as well as exercise to mobilize the tissues, mobilize the food through the body, so that it has good detoxification pathways. This is very important — to mobilize the energy through the body, the prana, the chi, this life force to move through us, and we have to be able to evacuate and get the waste out of the body. Energy in, waste out. These are fundamental principles that I learned early on. This is not taught in our schools. This is not taught on TV. But your food is medicine. Bringing that stuff into the body and helping the body detoxify it out — this is the fundamental element of nutrition: high vibes in, and then expel the waste.

The "No Diet" Philosophy: Eat Real Food When You're Hungry

Tom Rowland: Do you have a particular protocol of eating besides the fasting? Are you vegetarian or vegan or paleo? What's your philosophy on eating food, real food?

Troy Casey: I subscribe to the philosophy of the way of no way, and getting back to nature in all of its facets. So the no-diet, or the hashtag no-diet diet: eat whatever the hell you want as long as it's real food. I define what's real food in my book and also in my diet video playlist. The first video on that playlist on my YouTube channel is thirty-five minutes of all the caveats and nuances of what nutrition actually is. I break it down from the wild to commercial, and I do that in the book as well. So defining what real food is — the body requires real food. Eat real food at the cornerstone of the body, and eat when you're hungry. That will help you stave off and balance your blood sugar. Blood sugar and insulin are directly related to the primary hormonal path. So eat whatever you want as long as it's real food, and eat when you're hungry to balance out your blood sugar. Does that make sense? Because that's antithetical to what's taught.

Tom Rowland: No, it makes a lot of sense. It's interesting because one of the reasons I wanted to seek you out and talk to you is because it seems like we're on similar paths. You say that you had to learn your body for an economic reason, and that's exactly me too. I was a professional fishing guide that pushes a boat. You were a model in Miami, so you probably know about flats fishing. You push a 16-foot boat along, mostly into the wind all day long. It's kind of like being a professional athlete. And if you can't perform, you have to take days off.

Tom Rowland: So I started to get more interested in exercise, and then it worked its way into diet and nutrition and hydration and everything, to where at first I could only go maybe a week, and then I would have to take a day off — to the point where I would go a hundred and seventy-five days in a row without having to take a day off. And the better my body performed, the more money I could make, the more days I could be on the water. So an economic reason kind of led me to this pursuit of health and fitness as well. And of course, as you start to see big benefits, then you want more. And you wanna learn more, and you go a little further down this road. It seems like you've gone quite a bit further down the road than I have, but it seems like a similar path of learning your body out of necessity, but then falling in love with that whole process of learning your body.

Exercise Philosophy: Walking, Mobility, and the Nine Pillars

Tom Rowland: What do you think about exercise? What types of exercise do you advocate? I know you do a lot of Qigong, and then I saw some stuff where you were actually in the gym. What's your philosophy on exercise? How much? How often? What's the intensity?

Troy Casey: Well, exercise goes along with my philosophy around nutrition. These are nine pillars of health, and exercise and nutrition are just two of them. I tell people you'll get more mileage out of managing and mitigating your stress levels, optimizing your sleep, and fine-tuning your nutrition than you will trying to outrun your bad diet in the gym with high-intensity exercise, especially the older you get. What I recommend people do is figure out how much energy they have to expend, and get in the mirror and figure out what their athletic ability is — not if they're 20 and they could lift heavy dumbbells back then, because you could probably pull a muscle and be a couch potato for six months and gain a lot of weight and go down that rabbit hole. Or you could just move a lot, mobilize your body. Walking is the best exercise for the human body. It's the way the body is designed to move through time and space. So you can create a complete exercise program just on walking, just on natural food. You can drop the weight on natural food, getting to bed by ten, hydrating with clean water, and moving the body with an exercise program like walking for forty minutes five times a week — more than you can trying to outrun your bad diet in the gym.

Troy Casey: That's my philosophy. How can I optimize everything else in my life, including exercise and nutrition, so that health isn't a thing that I have to go to the gym and perform, so that I don't have to adopt some kind of diet paradigm that's completely outside of the box? The body requires organic food, high-quality nutrition. You're a fisherman — wild food, line caught, not farm raised. Friends don't let friends eat farmed fish. What do they feed those fish on those farms? The same crap that they feed you with junk food or processed foods. The body requires real food nutrition derived from the sun that's in the closed organic life cycle.

Sourcing Wild Food in the Modern World

Tom Rowland: I agree with you wholeheartedly on the difference between wild caught and farm raised, especially when it comes to fish. So when you're eating, how are you sourcing your food? Are you mostly shopping at farmers markets? How do you get your wild caught fish?

Troy Casey: Well, I live in the modern world. I live in one of the biggest, densest cities in the world, and we've got a lot of money here, so we've got access to all the highest-quality food. It ain't cheap, by the way. Organic food is not cheap in the modern world, but we've got Whole Foods and they've got access to some wild fish. You gotta ask some serious questions. We go out to sushi — I don't care how expensive the place is, you gotta ask them all the time: is this farmed? What do you have that's wild? And a good sushi chef, they gotta answer that question. Same thing with Whole Foods — I don't touch the stuff unless it's wild. I have a frozen guy here. He's got boats in Alaska, here in Santa Monica. He's a good friend of mine, Patrick, the fisherman's daughter, but that's frozen. Then we have another farmers market fisherman that is all line caught, and he's got boats off the coast of Santa Barbara. Other than that, we've trashed the planet. Tell me that the fisheries are not different from when you were growing up as a kid, Tom.

Tom Rowland: Yeah. No, you're exactly right. And one of your missions, I saw, was clean air, clean water, and clean soil, or something along those lines?

Clean Air, Water, Soil, and Equitable Systems

Troy Casey: And equitable systems for all mankind. Because if we don't have equitable systems, then other people are gonna be shitting in the waterways. And if anybody doesn't understand what equitable systems are, I've got a one-way ticket to Libya, Syria, Iraq, Darfur, or any place that we cover natural resources where oil wars and proxy wars have been fought. So we are all one or none. The health of the human being is directly related to the health of the world. How do we expect the world to be healthy if we are not healthy ourselves? No man is an island. We are all interconnected. So this is a great wake-up call for all of humanity. This isn't about Troy Casey and his little health journey. This is about transforming the world.

Troy Casey: I wrote this book. I came out of the Amazon, seeing the destruction of the rainforest, understanding as an environmentalist the acidification of the oceans, the depletion of the soil. And so as a man on this planet and having children, I had to put my foot down. No one's free until we're all free. No one has access to health until we all have access to health. Right now our systems are failing, so it's up to me to make a difference in this world. This is real man stuff here. Man has historically known what's on the horizon to eat and what's going to eat him, and to protect his family against the two: getting the nourishment of the family, and then protecting us against potential invaders. So this is real man stuff, in my humble opinion.

Tom Rowland: Yeah, I like what you're saying. How do you plan on pursuing this journey and this mission and taking this to the world?

The Age of Authenticity and the Pain Teacher

Troy Casey: Just what I'm doing right here online. I'm a 54-year-old man that's been able to access some form of health. Seventy percent of the American people are obese or overweight right now, so people need this information. People want this information. Carrying just 15 pounds of extra weight opens you up for heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etcetera, and that's a heavy load of pain if people are paying attention to what's going on inside their body. The pain teacher is always guiding us. The question is, are we listening to the arthritis? Are we listening to the wheezing in our lungs? And if that's the truth, the age of authenticity is on the rise. The information age is over with. The industrial age is long over with. We're moving towards the age of authenticity. It's no longer what the talking heads are saying on TV. If you can't embody that which you're talking about, then who wants to follow the non-truth? You might as well follow the truth.

Troy Casey: It's not that I'm God's gift to physique and bodybuilding. It's that this is what's possible when you apply foundational principles. I'm not a gym rat. This is finding foundational holistic health principles and aligning myself with the natural rhythms of life, the natural laws of planetary existence — as above, so below. How do we expect the world to be healthy if we're not healthy ourselves? Applying fundamental holistic principles will garner you health — healthy mind, healthy body, healthy spirit, your ability to go out and conquer for your family. And if you're looking at statistics right now, your ability to access health, happiness, and the pursuit of liberty is being thwarted, especially if you're looking at the food supply and the nutrition supply. Your ability to go out, exercise, and get sunlight onto the body is being differentiated by the thought viruses, the brain viruses that are being pumped down the mainstream media these days. Anyways, I go outside the box. I hope that's okay for your viewership, because I think all of our life is threatened on this planet right now. It's time to wake up.

Tom Rowland: Yeah, it's okay. I wanna know what you're all about, and I like the fundamental holistic principles. Can you tell us what those are in a concise way, as you see it?

The Nine Pillars of Health

Troy Casey: Well, for men, it's very important that you get your legacy, your purpose, your true north, your dream, your vision, your passion. You get that on paper, and that will give you a roadmap to go out in society and create in the world. Women as well, but women are the natural nurturers of the children, and that's very important for the family. That job cannot be overlooked, and I think feminism has come into our world and ruined the family. The CIA utilized the whole feminist movement, and they worked with Gloria Steinem closely to bring two people into paying taxes. My mother didn't work till 1979, and so now we've got two family members working to bring food in and to pay rent. And who's watching that food, and what happened to the food supply, and what's happening to the health of the human being and the individual? So the bottom line is, women are the natural nurturers of the family. That's a very important job for our society. And then men naturally knew what was on the horizon to eat and what was threatening the survival of the tribe. These are our basic fundamental elements, and those have been subjugated by our domestication, by the way we live.

Troy Casey: So getting back to basics: what does the human body physiologically need? What does it biologically need? And what's the psychology that you have to have in your mind to keep you grounded enough to be that center element of the family? So legacy is important for men. Purpose, dream, and legacy — that's one chapter. There are nine pillars of health. Nature: connecting to the sunlight, grounding into the earth, getting natural food into the body, natural water. Then you have relationships. We're in relationship to the Earth, we're in relationship to others. So letting go of resentment and emotional bondage and baggage, and connecting with them. Then you have hydration, nutrition, sleep, movement, thinking, and breathing mechanics.

Troy Casey: Our cellular respiration is directly related to our overall breathing mechanics. Most of us are mouth breathers and neck breathers, activating the panic receptors, putting us in a fight-or-flight sympathetic nervous system response. To reverse that, we wanna get into stomach breathing so that we're more balanced and calm, and we can act from a coherent state making decisions for our family. Having proper cellular respiration will give you the proper nutrition and stave off premature aging. If you don't have proper breathing mechanics, look no further than the mirror for why you're getting gray hair, wrinkles, and premature balding. Get your breathing mechanics on point. Then there's thinking — programming your mind, reprogramming your mind with hypnosis, meditation, or any way to deprogram the industrial-age school system that has been programmed into your consciousness, and thirty or forty years of television news programming. You wanna deprogram that. Get a good hydration source, a good water source, a good nutrition source. The link in my bio has organic nutrition for anyone that desires it, straight off our farms, delivered to your family, dehydrated, high-quality superfood nutrition. Superfoods just means nutrient dense. And then optimizing your sleep, your circadian rhythms — that can't be overlooked. This is nutrition that the body requires. So that's the nine pillars of health: legacy, nutrition, hydration, movement, nature, relationships, breathing. These are all foundational elements that the body requires. All of this is in my book. All of it's in my online courses. You get my stress management course absolutely free when you order the hardcover of the book. That's what I talk about all day, every day on my channels.

Discovering Breathwork Through Divorce and Crisis

Tom Rowland: Let's talk about breathing, because that's something that I spend a lot of time doing. I've been doing the Wim Hof method for about five years now. I start every single day with it, as well as other protocols. I did the XPT breathing course and learned some other protocols there. I've found it to be incredibly beneficial. What was your path to realizing the importance of the breath and then doing the breathwork and practice on a regular basis?

Troy Casey: Divorce. Man, I was facing my own divorce, bro. How many men are out there — the old lady's all stressed out about the economy? 2008 crushed us. They didn't bail us out like they're bailing us out now. They bailed out the banks. Remember that? 2008, 2009? They took all that money off of Main Street, my business tanked, and they paid out the banks. Old lady stressed, she went back to her business. My second child came, we had black mold exposure, we took a tailspin, and that took us out emotionally. So I was facing my imminent divorce, sleeping on my own couch, waking up at 4 o'clock in the morning, almost 50 years old, coming off an injury from black mold, waking up with anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts. What am I gonna do? Holy shit.

Troy Casey: Then one of my friends — I started hearing about Wim Hof. My other friends who studied yoga in the Himalayas with Leonard Orr teachers started doing holotropic breathing with me. This cleared my head. Waking up at 4 AM, total paranoia — what am I gonna do? Breathe, motherfucker. That instantly cleared my head. I was able to get up off the couch, start making breakfast for the kids. My wife was still giving me a hard time. Then we went through a divorce, and she was complaining about money, and I was just sleeping on the couch. And I was like, okay, if we've got problems with money and we've got one house, how are we gonna get two houses? The city of Los Angeles rents are more expensive, that's gonna be more expensive. I was paranoid, bro. I had no other choice but to start breathing, paying attention to my breathing mechanics.

Troy Casey: I have a Qigong stork walk, which shows how people had to reprogram their diaphragm. Lifting up the arms, inhale, putting them over your head, opening up the diaphragm. This is on my playlist on YouTube — it's called the stork walk. Reprogramming the breathing apparatus slowly, so that when you're doing the more dramatic breathwork that's opening everything up, it's clearing the mental chatter, the mental challenges that we have, and then grounding everything into reality. Once you get the dopamine and serotonin pumping, the feel-good chemicals and the endorphins pumping in your body, as a man you can feel strong. Then you can go out, maybe do some weightlifting, release some more feel-good chemicals, and then go kick ass and turn that into your business.

Troy Casey: All the shit that I dealt with going through my divorce, losing my business, then getting stronger in my business, growing out my beard, getting more into my manhood, letting my nuts hang, and then putting my best foot forward. I'm failing my way to success. I start getting my manhood back on point, start thinking for myself, not letting society push me around, then I get my woman back. I take her to Costa Rica, we drink the ayahuasca. As a couple, we take these powerful psychedelics. When things go haywire in the world, man goes back to the origin, so I take my woman back to the jungle. We get remarried on powerful ayahuasca medicine. We come back into the real world. I tell my old lady, come hell or high water, even if I fail, I'm gonna handle my business. Even if I fall on my face, I got this. So breathwork delivered me all of that — helped me get my mind clear, get my mind focused on how I'm creating money, what I'm creating in the world in business. Breathwork helped me do that, get my balls back in check, get my woman back, build my family back together. Breathwork delivered me to that. It is your breathing mechanics.

The 40-Day Quarantine Challenge and Wim Hof

Tom Rowland: Well, the breathing has been incredibly beneficial for me. I couldn't think about starting a day without it. I do it every single day, as many as six, eight, ten rounds sometimes of the Wim Hof breathing and other protocols. I think that right now, with what we're dealing with, the breathwork could be incredibly important and beneficial for so many people that are going through severe anxiety about the coronavirus and all the stuff that's going on. We joined the Wim Hof forty-day quarantine challenge. The first ten days, you do three rounds of breathing and a thirty-second cold shower. The next ten days, you bump it up to about four rounds and a minute and a half, and then you keep bumping up the breathing and the cold water exposure for forty days. It's a gentle way for people to get into this for the first time. We do these monthly challenges — we did 10,000 push-ups one month, 3,000 pull-ups one month. This month, I thought, what better chance would there be for people to experience this breathwork than right now when everyone is experiencing tremendous anxiety? So a lot of people have joined in on that. But what's the connection between the breathwork and then going to the ayahuasca? Because that seems like kind of a jump.

Visions in the Amazon and the Birth of Certified Health Nut

Troy Casey: Well, I guess it depends on where your consciousness is at, Tom. We haven't connected before on this, but I started working in the Amazon in 2006.

Tom Rowland: What were you doing there?

Troy Casey: I was working with an herbal company. I was researching the plants as a medicine hunter, interviewing the shamans, and researching the ayahuasca. But I was working with a company that had non-psychoactive herbs — cat's claw, dragon's blood, camu camu, the highest concentrated source of vitamin C. I was working with a high-powered herbal company. I started researching the plants. I have a background in psychedelic medicines, in shamanism. My wife wasn't working with the ayahuasca with me at that time. I had three very powerful visions when I was in the Amazon in 2006. One was an amalgamation of my on-camera career. I was doing stand-up comedy at the time on the Sunset Strip here in Los Angeles, and I'd been studying natural medicine as a way to look and feel my best in front of the camera for many years. An amalgamation of all those careers was born, and Certified Health Nut, which is the name of my brand, was born. That was 2006, right in the middle of the Amazon.

Troy Casey: Then the spirit of my daughter came to me at that time, and I wasn't married and I wasn't in a relationship. She was my second child that came. Her spirit came to me in a vision in 2006. And the final vision, Tom, was that humanity makes it from the precipice of ecological disaster — cutting the rainforest down at an alarming rate, that I would see the mountains of sawdust when I pulled into the city centers off of the Amazon River. I would see these mountains of sawdust with the two-by-fours going up to Home Depot on large barges. I understood that humanity was on the precipice of ecological disaster. I could see it with industry. I read John Perkins' book, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, and really understood the way of the world from the World Bank perspective, the IMF, really understanding geopolitics. So I came out of the jungle with these powerful visions. The Iraq war was going on at the time, and I could imagine the brothers and sisters in the Middle East just being bombed for their natural resources. I could see that vision and then understand that we were all connected.

Troy Casey: I came out of the jungle vowing to make a change, and YouTube was a brand-new reality. I posted my exotic footage up on YouTube early on, and I was able to get some notoriety. But these visions have been unfolding ever since. Certified Health Nut is an online global platform all across the internet thirteen years later. My family is 13 years old now. My daughter, my son — extremely healthy. My family is robust. We went through a divorce; I brought everyone back together. We're living back together, and my visions are propelling. Humanity is awakening. I saw that humanity makes it through the precipice of ecological disaster, and we ground heaven on earth, peace on earth. I've seen that humanity goes through a quantum leap in human consciousness, one from death and destruction as we've been living in the past, to where we live peace on earth, and I see that we are ushering that in.

Brain Viruses, the Media, and Terrain Theory

Troy Casey: My vision of what I put on the internet early on — I put the rainforest information on the internet, and what I realized, Tom, is that most people didn't give a shit. They were too busy driving in traffic to a job that they hate, a job that's antithetical to life itself, with a car that they can't afford, trying to keep up with the Joneses, stressed out, don't have time to cook their own food, shoveling garbage and processed food into the body, getting fatter than hell. Seventy percent of the American people are obese. Putting these messages on YouTube, and to a certain degree I wasn't as popular as Logan Paul and Britney Spears, so I had to write my book. This was my end-around. This is my way of transforming the world. How do you expect the world to be healthy if we're not healthy ourselves? Seventy percent of the American people are obese or overweight. I'm 54 years old. Most people don't look like that at 54 years old. So this is my end-around to help humanity wake up.

Troy Casey: And lo and behold, I have the audience of the world at my fingertips because now everyone's sitting ducks. I'm doing breathwork three times a day on the media right now. I'm doing Zoom calls. We've got the man clan — Friday nights, 5:30 PM. We have a Zoom call with a thousand men. People are waking up, a thousand men online. People are sitting in their house. Human beings are waking up right now. This whole coronavirus has brought us in to help us understand that we've been impregnated with a brain virus, antithetical to life itself. The things that we need for life itself on this planet are clean air, water, soil, and equitable systems for all mankind. Air, water, and soil are what makes life hospitable on planet Earth, and it has been threatened by our business deals, by our trade deals, by the way we are operating, programmed out of a brain virus through our industrial-age school system, through our news programs, all our scientific validation, research bias that's been programmed by the corporations that run the media channels, funded by the Rockefeller foundations, the Pew Charitable Trust that funds these university studies that make everything factually, scientifically validated on your nightly news, that gets programmed into the human consciousness as a brain virus.

Troy Casey: Many of these corporate entities that are set up, these ideas that are forwarded, are actually brain viruses antithetical to life-affirmative principles: air, water, and soil. This is what we're waking up to. This is why the coronavirus is here. It's to awaken humanity out of corona — crown virus, brain virus. It's to wake us up out of these viral loads. Look no further into germ theory and Antoine Béchamp's terrain theory. How can a virus attack you if it has no protein? How can it attack you? Look up Antoine Béchamp, however you pronounce that French pronunciation. Louis Pasteur and Antoine Béchamp were two people with two different theories — germ theory and terrain theory. Look deeply into this, as you're being sold an idea about a virus, a brain virus that you're being programmed into. So this is the wake-up call. This is how the human being is going to go through the quantum leap in human consciousness, where we're gonna pull a rabbit out of a hat and go from the precipice of ecological disaster.

Troy Casey: You live down in the Gulf and help people fish. I'm sure you've seen the disaster since the Gulf spill, the oil war that we had down in the Caribbean, and how that Corexit that was poured into the Caribbean and the Gulf Stream — what that did to our ecosystem. We have to remediate these things. What's happened in three weeks of the coronavirus? The pollution in Los Angeles has cleared up. What can we do in three more weeks to change the environment that supports life on Earth? Anyways, Tom, I think I went through a bit of a rant and a rave over there, but that's kind of the way my mind works.

Tom Rowland: Dude, that's alright. You get pretty worked up. I get it, man.

The Man Clan: Instant Healing and Community

Tom Rowland: So with the work you're doing with these men — you've got a thousand men online doing these calls. How are you seeing that they are, if they go wholeheartedly into what you're saying —

Troy Casey: Not what I'm saying. What I'm doing.

Tom Rowland: What you're doing. Right.

Troy Casey: Breathwork, Qigong, martial arts, and cold showers. And then the man can share what's on their heart, Tom. What's on their heart may be a trouble, a nutrition question, a stress question, or maybe a coronavirus question. I don't know. But it's what's on their heart.

Tom Rowland: Okay, I gotcha. So what kind of results are you seeing from these people? Are you having stories of the human body being unbelievably resilient, people transforming in front of your eyes?

Troy Casey: Instantaneously healing, feeling better instantaneously from breathwork. And then we have other gentlemen on there that have been continuing to do the breathwork since when they had their own awakening. We all jump in a cold shower — that turns on the electricity. We do a little bit of martial arts, Qigong, gentle Qigong, a little kung fu — turns on the electricity. And then other men can speak from when they didn't have their electricity turned on to now when they have the electricity turned on. New men joining in, no electricity turned on, they do the breathwork, they think about some things, they see some other men — iron sharpens iron — and then their electricity is turned on, and then they're going out and reaching out to other men. This is happening instantaneously. Complete remission of some of their mental and emotional diseases going abated immediately. This is happening instantaneously. Friday nights, 5:30 PM, man clan.

Tom Rowland: So how does somebody do that? 5:30 on Friday nights. Is that on your website, on Facebook? Where is that?

Troy Casey: We're doing this on Zoom, but I'm announcing it everywhere — on Facebook, on social media, on my YouTube channel. My live recordings are going out to Facebook and YouTube, so you could tune in there, or you could just tune in to the Zoom. I think we have up to a thousand men on there, and this is increasing weekly. I was doing these things in Los Angeles here and off-grid for retreats, but now everybody's a sitting duck at home. So join Friday night, 5:30 PM PST, and then share what's on your heart.

Crisis Is Opportunity: Business and Mission

Tom Rowland: As far as the coronavirus and the lockdown goes, do you see this as an obstacle or an opportunity?

Troy Casey: Crisis is opportunity, in my humble opinion. In fact, the Chinese symbol for crisis is also opportunity. One man's food is another man's waste. One man's ceiling is another man's floor. So crisis is opportunity. This may be a crisis if your business is made on destroying the earth. But if your business is uplifting humanity and uplifting the health of the human being like mine, my business is exploding right now. Anyone who wants to — is looking for work, who's looking for business, they're skilled — they can get a hold of me. I have enough business to go around. We've got organic superfood to go out to the world. We're fully distributed in Europe and North America. So I've got enough business for everyone. Crisis is opportunity. If your business crashes, then you have nothing else to do but to come up from the ashes. Everything facing you right now as your business crashes is opportunity. There are two forces on this planet: yin yang, masculine, feminine, inhalation, exhalation, good, bad.

Tom Rowland: It's interesting that you're getting such benefits out of your business right now. It sounds like you've got a lot of different types of businesses, a lot of different revenue streams. If someone asked you what you did for a living, how do you answer that?

Troy Casey: Well, I'm here to get the world healthy, plain and simple. I have my own holistic lifestyle brand, but inside that brand I have organic superfood nutrition that comes straight off our farm to your family, and anyone can plug into me working with that. I have an affiliate brand, ambassadorship. People can get a discount card for their clients. Internet marketing is exploding — online marketing, affiliate businesses. So I have enough business. Our farms are stocked, and our company's only running at, I think, 33% capacity. We have the ability to put two more shifts on at our organic warehouse, and we've gotten released from the government. We are an essential business because we have organic nutrition with organic certifications — organic, non-GMO, high-quality organic superfood nutrition, the vegetation from the earth. So that part of the business is thriving, and then my business is expanding — not only Ripped at 50 books, seminars, online programs, but anybody who's an affiliate can market the book and any of my online programs. And then we need more coaches. As the man clan starts to expand, we're gonna build out a business element with that. Any of the leaders that show up that are there to help men, iron sharpen iron, we'll be able to monetize that. Health coaching is exploding as well.

Tom Rowland: You have that already, where you're educating coaches in a certification of your particular brand?

Troy Casey: The certification for the Certified Health Nut, we're working on currently. But until then, we're building community with the man clan, and of course I have 15,000 colleagues worldwide from the Chek Institute, personally trained by Paul Chek and myself. He's the biggest strength training coach in the world. He trained Laird Hamilton and helped him rehab, and Danny Way from a broken neck. So I'm sure you got a lot of the education from the Chek Institute through XPT, because I know Laird uses a lot of Paul Chek technology. It's just high-level holistic health. Nothing's new underneath the sun. All knowledge is knowledge itself. All roads lead back to breathing, hydration, nutrition, sleep, movement, relationships, nature, legacy. So we're working on the certification, building out the Certified Health Nut brand. There are positions available. We're hiring people daily. We're partnering with other people. Holistic health, getting the world healthy, cleaning up the environment — there's plenty of work and opportunity for everyone worldwide.

What Fires Him Up: Shifting Human Consciousness

Tom Rowland: Yeah, and you're fired up about it, man. You are as fired up about it as anybody I've ever met. You're going nuts. I love it. Do you get this fired up when you see someone making a big transformation in their life? What is it that gets you the most fired up? Is it helping people? Is it learning new things?

Troy Casey: I'm like a big kid, Tom. I'm easily entertained. And I'm very clear on my mission, my purpose, my dream, my legacy. My mission is to raise human consciousness and change all systems in my lifetime. My vision is clean air, water, soil — and you're a fisherman — clean air, water, soil, so the rivers aren't polluting the oceans. Clean air, water, soil, so that the chemical fertilizers and pesticides and herbicides are all natural. So we're not poisoning the soil, not poisoning the riverways, that chemical surface runoff going into the waterways, and then the waterways aren't contaminating the oceans. Clean air, water, soil, equitable systems for all mankind in my lifetime. That's my vision. So anything that's aligned with raising human consciousness and changing all systems is complete sport.

Troy Casey: If I'm on the internet every single day and I'm freaking some guy out that's got a pair of nuts between their legs, going, "Who is this guy?" — hopefully I'm more ripped than you so I can get your attention a little bit more, because everyone wants to get laid at the biochemical level. Nature's first law is self-preservation, so six-pack abs represent getting laid, so I can reach everybody at getting laid. If you wanna get laid, follow along, follow me. This is my little conquest in getting inside people's brain viruses and waking them up. So this is complete sport to me. I turn on the internet every day, I wake up and I'm like a kid. How many consciousnesses can I move today? How many people can I freak out on feeling better, looking better, getting rid of their migraine headaches, sleeping better? How can I help people get laid more? Because that's ultimately what we all want at the biochemical level.

Troy Casey: How can I help people put their family back together? Because once you get laid and you get off porn and you put your family back together, you remember that external sex is a little bit overrated and you could just love the one you got. Love that perfect one that's right in front of you that said "I do" to you. Get off the pornography. Get the big brain virus out of your head, get the pornography out of the head, and then start waking up and start feeling better, get your family back together. And if you don't have a family, get the motivation to create the family, find someone that you love, and then you can start being healthy. You gotta have your health if you're making kids. So how can I do that? I'm just a big kid exploring every day. How can I shift human consciousness? How can I make videos that get people thinking a little bit differently, and they start laughing? Laughter is the best medicine. As soon as I can make videos that get people out of their head and smiling a little bit more, feeling a little bit more, maybe adopting some of these life-affirmative principles, then my job is done.

Tom Rowland: Got it, man.

Troy Casey: Does that make sense?

Tom Rowland: Yeah. Absolutely. It makes sense.

Lockdown as the Biggest Opportunity: The Earth Healing

Tom Rowland: So the vision that you had for bringing humankind out of the precipice of disaster and having heaven on earth — do you see that happening in your lifetime?

Troy Casey: Yes.

Tom Rowland: Do you think this moment right now is a very strange time in our history? We're in lockdown, and it's a very strange time. I see it as maybe one of the biggest opportunities ever. The Earth is healing. The fisheries are seeing a relief of pressure that would never happen before. Even our sport fisheries, where we catch and release everything — we don't really keep anything, but they're receiving pressure, and this time of the year it's the most dense pressure of the whole year. And right now there's virtually no one fishing for them. This hasn't happened in sixty years. And like you're saying with the pollution in LA, I'm sure that is incredibly visual. You can just see it. So I see this as a time that a lot of people are very anxious, but it's also a time of great opportunity. How do you see this time playing into your vision?

Troy Casey: Well, look, everyone is at home now, and the greatest thing is that on the internet, they can search. We're moving into the age of authenticity. The industrial age is far gone. The information age — everything is on Google right now. So I postulate that we're moving into the age of authenticity. If I'm unhealthy, if I have a headache, I can simply go on the internet and look at natural immune boosting, natural health, natural weight loss. I'm fat as hell, I look in the mirror, I can't see my wiener. So let me look on the internet and see who doesn't have that problem. Let me start following them: Dr. Ash, Dr. Eric Berg, Laird Hamilton, Paul Chek, Elliott Hulse. JP Sears, the funny man. This guy's healthy. Let me follow a little bit of his knowledge and see if I can also get healthy myself. So the solutions are there. And we all have time to go introspective right now.

Troy Casey: I've been sitting on my yoga mat for the last three weeks. Why? Because I'm filming and talking to the world through there, and I'm also getting my own workouts inside my own house. I'm doing yoga, I'm meditating more, I'm doing global meditations. We have plenty of time to go within, and you can also seek information from other people that are healthier than you, people that are having a better day. Look up positive vibrations, motivational, inspirational talks. There's plenty of people on the internet. I'm not the only one spreading good cheer, so find more of that and then spread that. It spreads like a virus. You want organic food? We'll deliver it straight to your door. So now is a good time. Crisis creates opportunity, and I'm here to wake people up. I've had one live presentation after podcast after another, cyclically. I'll go from Facebook Live to Instagram Live to somebody's podcast, talking about the same thing, and it just keeps spreading and spreading.

Troy Casey: The good news is spreading, and the fisheries are getting replenished. Nature is harmonizing. The frequency and vibration, the natural rhythms of nature are going to rebalance. The pollution is gone here in Los Angeles. So expect miracles. If we can do this in three weeks, what else can we do with the planet? Can we align with the laws of biomimicry, which states life creates conditions conducive for life? Can we align with bioremediation? This is bioremediation. How about do no more harm? Stop poisoning the fisheries. Stop poisoning the water. Stop poisoning the farmland. Stop over-polluting with fossil fuels and driving your car all around. Who wants to go back to work now that we haven't been sitting in a cubicle for three weeks? Nobody wants to go back to work. That's bad for your hip flexors. That's good for your erectile dysfunction, because now you're actually moving your body, and all that sediment is not sitting in your prostate. So a little bit of movement is groovy. Get up, move the body, keep breathing, guys. Do some Qigong, do some yoga, do my nutritional cleanse, do some fasting. Stop over-consuming, turn the computer off, get into your body, do some deep breathing, baby.

Where to Follow Troy Casey and Closing

Tom Rowland: Right on, man. You're on it. If somebody wanted to get on this path that you're on, how do they do it? How do they follow you? What are all your resources?

Troy Casey: Come on the man clan if you're a man — Friday nights, 5:30 PM PST. Man clan, man club, hashtag man clan. Go on rippedat50book.com, certifiedhealthnut.com, Certified Health Nut on Instagram, Certified Health Nut on YouTube. I've made thousands of free videos for everybody — free information on health and wellness. And remember, don't listen to me; listen to people that you wanna learn from that emulate that which you have, any kind of mental clarity. Learn from the Laird Hamiltons of the world. Learn from Tom. Tom has obviously got some level of health, to where he's not a statistic. Seventy percent of the people are obese or overweight.

Tom Rowland: Check it out.

Troy Casey: There you go. This guy's fit, man. He's got his nuts intact and his brain focused on the prize. Family, Tom?

Tom Rowland: Yeah, I do. I got three kids, my wife.

Troy Casey: Everything's good, man.

Tom Rowland: God bless you. Alright, Troy.

Troy Casey: Guess what else you are? You're an American. Right? I love America. We're here to make this world great again. That's the bottom line. Don't worry, guys, the patriots are here. We're here to make this world great again. We will institute natural rhythms, natural law on this planet. Align yourself with the natural principles.

Tom Rowland: Alright. Well, thanks for spending some time with us today in a time of a lot of uncertainty. You're a ray of sunshine, man. You are an energy lightning bolt. And we didn't even cover all the other stuff. We're gonna have to do this again, because there are so many other things I wanted to ask questions about, but I wanna be respectful of your time. I know you've got a lot of other messages to deliver, but thank you so much for being on this with us today. And, man, if you guys want some rays of sunshine, go check it out — Certified Health Nut — and join the man clan. Right on. Alright, Troy. Thank you.

Troy Casey: God bless.

Tom Rowland: See you, buddy. Thank you.

Tom Rowland: Well, thank you, Troy. That was awesome, man. You guys, that was at a time of great uncertainty. Troy is a fireball. He is so excited about what he's doing, and I think I know why. I think that he is helping a lot of people. I think that he has discovered some things that all of us can do. You don't have to be anybody special to do these things. He's doing them. He's teaching others to do them, and a lot of people are getting great, fantastic results from it. So if you're interested — it's a lot to put out there if you've never heard some of that kind of stuff — but if you're interested, go check him out. Certified Health Nut, that's Troy Casey. He's on every form of social media, and I guess you can go join the man clan and see what that's all about. Alright. See you.