Episode 127 of the Tom Rowland Podcast is my conversation with Brandon Clift, the son of Bill Clift, a man who shaped my own sense of adventure and optimism when I was young in Chattanooga. Brandon is just 26, but he brings a tremendous amount of maturity and insight to a conversation about what he calls the path of a warrior, redefining strength and masculinity around emotional courage and connection rather than aggression, and the internal conflict so many young men feel between who they are and who the world tells them to be.
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Brandon Clift is the son of Bill Clift, a longtime friend and early mentor of Tom's who moved to Australia and built an adventurous life. At 26, Brandon impressed Tom with his maturity and insight, particularly his thinking on masculinity, mental health, and human connection. He is the guest behind this episode's exploration of the path of a warrior.
For Brandon, the path of a warrior is not about aggression or proving toughness. It is about redefining strength to include emotional courage, vulnerability, and genuine connection with other people. He argues that the truest form of strength is the willingness to feel, to talk about your problems, and to connect through mutual admiration rather than force.
Brandon describes growing up in a dichotomy: a father who told him it was okay to cry and show emotion, and a wider culture, school, sports, movies, that rewarded the opposite. He points to the stoic, fists-first male protagonists held up as role models and explains the conflict young men feel when their natural emotional selves clash with that model.
The connection runs through Brandon's father, Bill Clift. Bill was about ten years older than Tom and friends with his sisters in Chattanooga. As a ski instructor and America's Cup-level sailboat racer with a huge sense of adventure, Bill exposed a young Tom to the idea that you could build your life any way you wanted, an influence Tom only fully appreciated years later.
Brandon makes the case that the cultural model of men handling everything alone, never talking about feelings or problems, is harmful. By reframing emotional openness as a form of courage rather than weakness, he offers young men a healthier definition of strength. It is a message about mental health and connection that resonates well beyond the outdoor world.
Tom Rowland Podcast Episode 127 with Brandon Clift is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. The video version is embedded at the top of this page.
There are people in your life who mean a tremendous amount to you, and sometimes you do not realize it until many years later. Brandon's father, Bill Clift, was one of those people for me. Growing up in Chattanooga, I did not know anyone doing the things Bill did, skiing, racing sailboats at the America's Cup level, traveling the world. He exposed me to a sense of adventure and optimism, the idea that you could make your life any way you wanted. When I met his son Brandon, I found a 26-year-old with real maturity and insight, and I wanted that conversation on tape.
Press play in the YouTube player at the top of this page to hear the whole conversation.
Brandon flips the usual idea of a warrior on its head. For him, real strength is not solving things with your fists, it is the courage to feel, to be vulnerable, and to connect with people through mutual respect. He makes a compelling case that emotional courage is harder, and more valuable, than the tough-guy version. Listen to how he frames it.
Brandon grew up with a father who said it was okay to cry and be emotional, then walked into a world, school, sports, movies, that punished exactly that. He describes the stoic, action-over-words male protagonists we are handed as role models, and the confusion that creates. Hear him describe that dichotomy in the episode.
Bill Clift was giving people big hugs thirty years before it was in fashion. He was different, adventurous, and optimistic, and he influenced me as a young man more than I realized at the time. Brandon and I talk about the legacy of that one person across two lives. Press play in the YouTube player above.
At its core this is a conversation about connection and mental health, the idea that handling everything alone is not strength, and that opening up is. For a 26-year-old, Brandon has thought about this more clearly than most. Listen to that section of the episode.
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What struck me about Brandon is how clearly he sees something a lot of us spend a lifetime untangling, that real strength and real connection are the same thing.
His father changed the way I saw the world as a young man, and now his son has given me something to think about all over again. That is a rare kind of full circle. Listen to the whole conversation.
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Brandon Clift is a thoughtful 26-year-old and the son of Bill Clift, an adventurer and early mentor of Tom Rowland. Raised between his father's emotionally open example and a culture that rewarded the opposite, Brandon has developed a clear, mature philosophy on what he calls the path of a warrior, a redefinition of masculinity and strength rooted in emotional courage, mental health, and human connection rather than aggression.
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